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Can we now agree Rooney is not a World Class Player
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myscimitar
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by Joey Boswell:
“Rooney and his failures, I think you will find that it is a team sport, there are 10 other players on the pitch you know.

Never mind you can go back to watching Andy Murray and his failures next week at Wimbledon.”

But the team was changed after a good performance against Italy, to give Rooney his fav position back, and did he do the business for England.. NO!
myscimitar
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Andy Murray has two grand slams, an Olympic gold medal and 9 masters titles.

Rooney has won a European Cup, 5 Premier Leagues and 2 League Cups.

Neither of these men could possibly be considered failures.”

But nothing for England!
Joey Boswell
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by myscimitar:
“But the team was changed after a good performance against Italy, to give Rooney his fav position back, and did he do the business for England.. NO!”

When he scored on Thursday night, did you cheer or were you cursing him.
myscimitar
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by Joey Boswell:
“When he scored on Thursday night, did you cheer or were you cursing him.”

Of course I cheered, but my grand mother could have put that in!
Joey Boswell
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by myscimitar:
“Of course I cheered, but my grand mother could have put that in!”

Contact the FA, they might give her a game against Costa Rica in place of Rooney.
LostFool
22-06-2014
If you look back to Euro 2004 and his first few seasons at Man Utd, he really did look like he could become one of the all time greats - but, like many other players before him, he hasn't lived up to his potential.
Doc Shmok
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by myscimitar:
“But nothing for England!”

Maybe England doesn't pay the bills for hair transplants..
Tal'shiar
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“If you look back to Euro 2004 and his first few seasons at Man Utd, he really did look like he could become one of the all time greats - but, like many other players before him, he hasn't lived up to the hype.”

BIB: Just fixed that for you
myscimitar
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by Joey Boswell:
“Contact the FA, they might give her a game against Costa Rica in place of Rooney.”

Well, she do a better job, and for only a salmon sandwich and a cup of tea.
myscimitar
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by Tal'shiar:
“BIB: Just fixed that for you”

No right first time
nevada
22-06-2014
Following England's elimination, Michael Ballack has urged Hodgson to rebuild the team around 'world class' Wayne Rooney apparently.
myscimitar
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by nevada:
“Following England's elimination, Michael Ballack has urged Hodgson to rebuild the team around 'world class' Wayne Rooney apparently.”

Oh yes! Let's not have any other strikers in the team, one World Cup Goal in every 3-4 World Cup's are all we need. Country's are mad who have strikers that score more!
frost
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by myscimitar:
“Oh yes! Let's not have any other strikers in the team, one World Cup Goal in every 3-4 World Cup's are all we need. Country's are mad who have strikers that score more!”

Rooney might under perform at actual world cups, but he is joint fourth top goal scorer of all time at international level for England. 10 more goals and he becomes the all time top scorer ever. Considering his age there's every chance he will do that.
Staunchy
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by frost:
“Rooney might under perform at actual world cups, but he is joint fourth top goal scorer of all time at international level for England. 10 more goals and he becomes the all time top scorer ever. Considering his age there's every chance he will do that.”

I often wonder how many goals Sir Booby Charlton would have got if every two years he played in qualifying competitions against teams like; San Marino, Montenegro and Andorra.
It's all very well banging them in against the minnows during qualification, but it's been proven that when it comes to the major international tournaments Rooney can't do it. All the while he keeps his place and prevents others being able to demonstrate that, not only can they to score during qualification, they can do the business when it really matters.
myscimitar
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by frost:
“Rooney might under perform at actual world cups, but he is joint fourth top goal scorer of all time at international level for England. 10 more goals and he becomes the all time top scorer ever. Considering his age there's every chance he will do that.”

Scoring against the lesser World teams, not when it comes to the main ones, he just can't do it!
Apollo Creed
22-06-2014
Some peoples hatred of Rooney is very disturbing.
NiteOwl12
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by Apollo Creed:
“Some peoples hatred of Rooney is very disturbing.”

I'm not convinced it is the player they hate, but the club he plays for.
d'@ve
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by myscimitar:
“Scoring against the lesser World teams, not when it comes to the main ones, he just can't do it!”

Of our two goals, he made one and scored the other. Who else did as much as that?

We are out of the World Cup due to the failings of other people, not Rooney
TheSloth
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by frost:
“Rooney might under perform at actual world cups, but he is joint fourth top goal scorer of all time at international level for England. 10 more goals and he becomes the all time top scorer ever. Considering his age there's every chance he will do that.”

These days, it's easier to rack up caps, especially non competitive ones. There are players behind Rooney who played a lot less games for England. Any attacking England forward who plays 80+ caps will be there or thereabouts.

Peter Crouch notched 22 goals at a rate better than one in two (which improves on Rooney's rate) and the argument that he scored against lesser teams is a bit thin as surely "better" players like Rooney should do even better against those same lesser teams.

There's a long list of players who never got anywhere near 94 caps who'd have been up there if they had - Hursr, Hunt, Peters, Keegan, Channon, Lofthouse, Shearer, Platt, Finney and the aforementioned Crouch even. Add the fact Rooney's tournament return is poor and you'll never convince many that he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as some others who did it when it mattered or did it from midfield. Some of the players listed aren't considered world class either.

The assumption that just because he'll eventually get to the top of the England goals chart through longevity backs up the claims he is world class is simplistic and quite absurd. He's been a decent player but nothing more and has not quite delivered on the greatest stage.

He's international class.
Apollo Creed
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by NiteOwl12:
“I'm not convinced it is the player they hate, but the club he plays for.”

Maybe. I support a League One side so have no bias against any of the top clubs. I think it's pretty obvious to anyone who knows just a bit about football that Wayne Rooney was not the reason why England did so badly. He had an average tournament like most of the others. He wasn't our worst player and whilst you could say he is part of the problem the idea that dropping him would have drastically improved anything is just nonsense.



He's a big name so gets the most stick. He isn't world class and has never claimed to be. WE have put him on a pedestal. If Rooney had been a late call up because of injuries and played like he did nobody would have mentioned his performances. In fact he would have probably been classed as a positive and used as a stick to beat Hodsgon with for not picking him in the first place!
codeblue
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“Of our two goals, he made one and scored the other. Who else did as much as that?

We are out of the World Cup due to the failings of other people, not Rooney”


Err I cannot agree.

We changed the formation, after a good attacking performance, to accommodate Rooney.

We messed up Sturridge and sterling, who became spectators.
Joey Boswell
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by Apollo Creed:
“Some peoples hatred of Rooney is very disturbing.”

Not half, disturbing and dam right scary.
Joey Boswell
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Err I cannot agree.

We changed the formation, after a good attacking performance, to accommodate Rooney.

We messed up Sturridge and sterling, who became spectators.”

You never agree on anything about Rooney, if England got to the World Cup Final and he scored the winning goal, you would moan and complain about something.

All of us on here know you of old Codeblue.
codeblue
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by Joey Boswell:
“You never agree on anything about Rooney, if England got to the World Cup Final and he scored the winning goal, you would moan and complain about something.

All of us on here know you of old Codeblue.”

I just dont think Rooney was anywhere near our best player in Brazil.

Believe me, it pains me to give credit to lfc players like sterling and Sturridge, but they were head over heels our best attacking players. They were great against Italy.

Fair play to them.
Joey Boswell
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“I just dont think Rooney was anywhere near our best player in Brazil.

Believe me, it pains me to give credit to lfc players like sterling and Sturridge, but they were head over heels our best attacking players. They were great against Italy.

Fair play to them.”

Why do you dislike Rooney so much codeblue, is it because Chelsea didn't manage to sign him last season.

If you had, I doubt you would be quite so hostile towards him.
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