In the World Cup, when was the last time a team qualified from the group stage after losing their first two matches?
Last time a team qualified from losing their first two matches?
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Originally Posted by Sattrega:
“Never.”
“Never.”
Is that definite?
I know it's highly improbable but it's not inconceivable - England beat Costa Rica by 2 clear goals and Italy beat Uruguay and the Costa Ricans easily.
Surely there must gave been such a scenario before.
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“Is that definite?
I know it's highly improbable but it's not inconceivable - England beat Costa Rica by 2 clear goals and Italy beat Uruguay and the Costa Ricans easily.
Surely there must gave been such a scenario before.”
“Is that definite?
I know it's highly improbable but it's not inconceivable - England beat Costa Rica by 2 clear goals and Italy beat Uruguay and the Costa Ricans easily.
Surely there must gave been such a scenario before.”
I'm going on what the BBC website states. Says no side has ever progressed from the group stage after losing their opening two group games.
The closest I can see is that Chile got out of a group with three points in 1998, but that was all draws so the rest of the group makeup was different.
Originally Posted by Sattrega:
“I'm going on what the BBC website states. Says no side has ever progressed from the group stage after losing their opening two group games.”
“I'm going on what the BBC website states. Says no side has ever progressed from the group stage after losing their opening two group games.”
There was an outside chance holland could have done it in the euros two years ago, but no one has ever qualified with 3 points with one win and two,losses
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“Is that definite?
I know it's highly improbable but it's not inconceivable - England beat Costa Rica by 2 clear goals and Italy beat Uruguay and the Costa Ricans easily.
Surely there must gave been such a scenario before.”
“Is that definite?
I know it's highly improbable but it's not inconceivable - England beat Costa Rica by 2 clear goals and Italy beat Uruguay and the Costa Ricans easily.
Surely there must gave been such a scenario before.”
I really don't see it happening to be honest.
After our performance tonight, I'm beginning to wonder just how good this Italy team is. We looked better against them than we did against Uruguay, which might suggest that this Italian side is not as good as we might have thought. I wouldn't be surprised if Uruguay turned them over.
Originally Posted by Flat Matt:
“I really don't see it happening to be honest.
After our performance tonight, I'm beginning to wonder just how good this Italy team is. We looked better against them than we did against Uruguay, which might suggest that this Italian side is not as good as we might have thought. I wouldn't be surprised if Uruguay turned them over.”
“I really don't see it happening to be honest.
After our performance tonight, I'm beginning to wonder just how good this Italy team is. We looked better against them than we did against Uruguay, which might suggest that this Italian side is not as good as we might have thought. I wouldn't be surprised if Uruguay turned them over.”
Nor would I be surprised if Costa Rica get a result against them either
Italy may not be good, but you wont find out until they go behind. Mind you their defence doesnt look as tight as italian defences of old.
Italy, brazil, argentina have all looked vaguely uncomfortable, but havent fallen behind. We have never got in front.
When you are not behind you can coast along, save energy etc.
Italy, brazil, argentina have all looked vaguely uncomfortable, but havent fallen behind. We have never got in front.
When you are not behind you can coast along, save energy etc.
Let's try to put it in percentage terms:
What's the percentage likelihood of Italy beating Costa Rica? Let's say 70%.
What's the likelihood of England then beating Costa Rica? 60% maybe?
60% of 70 is 42%.
What's the likelihood then of Italy beating Uruguay? Pehaps 40% is a good guess?
40% of 42 is about 17%, meaning a roughly 1 in 6 chance for England.
Bear in mind England's goal difference has to better than Uruguay & Costa Rica, and that reduces the odds further. It's therefore a long shot, but much stranger things have happened before in football.
What's the percentage likelihood of Italy beating Costa Rica? Let's say 70%.
What's the likelihood of England then beating Costa Rica? 60% maybe?
60% of 70 is 42%.
What's the likelihood then of Italy beating Uruguay? Pehaps 40% is a good guess?
40% of 42 is about 17%, meaning a roughly 1 in 6 chance for England.
Bear in mind England's goal difference has to better than Uruguay & Costa Rica, and that reduces the odds further. It's therefore a long shot, but much stranger things have happened before in football.
Originally Posted by Flat Matt:
“I really don't see it happening to be honest.
After our performance tonight, I'm beginning to wonder just how good this Italy team is. We looked better against them than we did against Uruguay, which might suggest that this Italian side is not as good as we might have thought. I wouldn't be surprised if Uruguay turned them over.”
“I really don't see it happening to be honest.
After our performance tonight, I'm beginning to wonder just how good this Italy team is. We looked better against them than we did against Uruguay, which might suggest that this Italian side is not as good as we might have thought. I wouldn't be surprised if Uruguay turned them over.”
We stepped up our game for Italy. We dropped off big time against Uruguay. CR played a piss poor Uruguay which probably made them look better. I think they'll be 2-0/2-1 tomorrow and it will come down to next week.
My main worry isn't the games going our way, when you think about it Italy should kinda do it comfortably, my main worry is that even when it comes to it we simply dont score enough against Costa Rica and that Roy will plan defensively instead of attack.
Originally Posted by Deserana 12:
“We stepped up our game for Italy. We dropped off big time against Uruguay. CR played a piss poor Uruguay which probably made them look better. I think they'll be 2-0/2-1 tomorrow and it will come down to next week.
My main worry isn't the games going our way, when you think about it Italy should kinda do it comfortably, my main worry is that even when it comes to it we simply dont score enough against Costa Rica and that Roy will plan defensively instead of attack.”
“We stepped up our game for Italy. We dropped off big time against Uruguay. CR played a piss poor Uruguay which probably made them look better. I think they'll be 2-0/2-1 tomorrow and it will come down to next week.
My main worry isn't the games going our way, when you think about it Italy should kinda do it comfortably, my main worry is that even when it comes to it we simply dont score enough against Costa Rica and that Roy will plan defensively instead of attack.”
I wouldn't say it's impossible that Italy win their last two games at all.
And we are certainly capable of beating Costa Rica.
Italy may coast the game against Uruquay if they win today,, and therefore lose or draw against Uruquay
However, I'm thinking they would like to knock out Uruquay of they get the chance (they must know that Luis Suarez has the talent to beat other teams virtually single-handedly later on in the competition).
Originally Posted by Drunken Scouser:
“Let's try to put it in percentage terms:
What's the percentage likelihood of Italy beating Costa Rica? Let's say 70%.
What's the likelihood of England then beating Costa Rica? 60% maybe?
60% of 70 is 42%.
What's the likelihood then of Italy beating Uruguay? Pehaps 40% is a good guess?
40% of 42 is about 17%, meaning a roughly 1 in 6 chance for England.
Bear in mind England's goal difference has to better than Uruguay & Costa Rica, and that reduces the odds further. It's therefore a long shot, but much stranger things have happened before in football.”
“Let's try to put it in percentage terms:
What's the percentage likelihood of Italy beating Costa Rica? Let's say 70%.
What's the likelihood of England then beating Costa Rica? 60% maybe?
60% of 70 is 42%.
What's the likelihood then of Italy beating Uruguay? Pehaps 40% is a good guess?
40% of 42 is about 17%, meaning a roughly 1 in 6 chance for England.
Bear in mind England's goal difference has to better than Uruguay & Costa Rica, and that reduces the odds further. It's therefore a long shot, but much stranger things have happened before in football.”
MOTD has just quoted a 12% chance of England going through.
I think most people are assuming that Italy and England will both beat Costa Rica and I am unsure what that confidence is based on. Costa Rica looked sharp to me.
Saw on Twitter, that the USA managed it in 2009 Confederations Cup. Brazil won all their games. USA beat Egypt. Italy beat USA. Egypt beat Italy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_...ederations_Cup
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_...ederations_Cup
Originally Posted by Drunken Scouser:
“Let's try to put it in percentage terms:
What's the percentage likelihood of Italy beating Costa Rica? Let's say 70%.
What's the likelihood of England then beating Costa Rica? 60% maybe?
60% of 70 is 42%.
What's the likelihood then of Italy beating Uruguay? Pehaps 40% is a good guess?
40% of 42 is about 17%, meaning a roughly 1 in 6 chance for England.
Bear in mind England's goal difference has to better than Uruguay & Costa Rica, and that reduces the odds further. It's therefore a long shot, but much stranger things have happened before in football.”
“Let's try to put it in percentage terms:
What's the percentage likelihood of Italy beating Costa Rica? Let's say 70%.
What's the likelihood of England then beating Costa Rica? 60% maybe?
60% of 70 is 42%.
What's the likelihood then of Italy beating Uruguay? Pehaps 40% is a good guess?
40% of 42 is about 17%, meaning a roughly 1 in 6 chance for England.
Bear in mind England's goal difference has to better than Uruguay & Costa Rica, and that reduces the odds further. It's therefore a long shot, but much stranger things have happened before in football.”
England don't need to worry about GD re Uruguay. If Uruguay lose to Italy and England beat Costa Rica on Tuesday, England's GD has to be better than Uruguay's. If all 3 results go England's way, it's just Costa Rica's GD they need to overhaul.
Maybe we just wait to see what happens tonight, then worry about goal difference, btw if Costa Rica beat Italy they'll go through
Basically we need to support Italy for their two matches. For the next two games, Balotelli is our hero and we want him to find the back of the net over and over.
Originally Posted by Peter Venkman:
“Basically we need to support Italy for their two matches. For the next two games, Balotelli is our hero and we want him to find the back of the net over and over.”
“Basically we need to support Italy for their two matches. For the next two games, Balotelli is our hero and we want him to find the back of the net over and over.”
Just twice in the first game will do. Just enough to make them hungry for the Uruguay game.
cant shake this feeling that we are gonna qualify
maybe its just because everyone assuming we already out ,i dunno.
but heres hoping!
maybe its just because everyone assuming we already out ,i dunno.
but heres hoping!
Think the nearest was England in Mexico 86, lost the first group game & drew the second game so had to win the last group game but in that World Cup up to USA 94 you could qualify finishing one of the 4 best placed teams in 3rd position
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“cant shake this feeling that we are gonna qualify
maybe its just because everyone assuming we already out ,i dunno.
but heres hoping!”
“cant shake this feeling that we are gonna qualify
maybe its just because everyone assuming we already out ,i dunno.
but heres hoping!”
There's a reason people are assuming that though.
Italy need to beat Costa RIca and Uruguay, and England need to beat Costa Rica. That's the first big if right there, then- if Italy only beat Costa Rica by 1 goal, we'd have to beat Costa RIca by 4 goals
Originally Posted by Ænima:
“There's a reason people are assuming that though.
Italy need to beat Costa RIca and Uruguay, and England need to beat Costa Rica. That's the first big if right there, then- if Italy only beat Costa Rica by 1 goal, we'd have to beat Costa RIca by 4 goals”
“There's a reason people are assuming that though.
Italy need to beat Costa RIca and Uruguay, and England need to beat Costa Rica. That's the first big if right there, then- if Italy only beat Costa Rica by 1 goal, we'd have to beat Costa RIca by 4 goals
”
Not true, England would only need to win by 2 goals, if Italy win by 2 or more, then any England win would take them through if Italy beat Uruguay.
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