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Some country's are doing well with player from our lower div, maybe we should
Some teams at this World Cup as in the past are using players from our lower division's, and having success against bigger team's, maybe we should look for player's in at least the Championship, they will be hungry, not money mad, and will work hard to prove a point, we can't do any worst.
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They'll show more pride and passion.
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Some teams at this World Cup as in the past are using players from our lower division's, and having success against bigger team's, maybe we should look for player's in at least the Championship, they will be hungry, not money mad, and will work hard to prove a point, we can't do any worst.
Leyton Orient had the good sense to show him the door. He's now playing non-league, I still have his number, shall I give it to Roy Hodgson. |
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Some teams at this World Cup as in the past are using players from our lower division's, and having success against bigger team's, maybe we should look for player's in at least the Championship, they will be hungry, not money mad, and will work hard to prove a point, we can't do any worst.
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Sometimes players in the lower divisions are more hungry for success because they want to get to the top.
You've got the premier league player who earns a shedload of money and drives a supercar every week and the lower division player who earns a modest salary, if the lower division player showcases himself really well in this tournament he could very well be signed up by a top team and be set up for life. |
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I reckon England should call up BNP members or Combat18 (if they're still going).
After all, all that's needed is 'pashun'. |
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Sometimes players in the lower divisions are more hungry for success because they want to get to the top.
You've got the premier league player who earns a shedload of money and drives a supercar every week and the lower division player who earns a modest salary, if the lower division player showcases himself really well in this tournament he could very well be signed up by a top team and be set up for life. |
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I assume people favouring this ludicrous suggestion don't actually watch the Championship. As a season ticket holder at Reading there is absolutely no way that a majority of the players I see week in week out would ever be good enough to play in the Premier League, let alone internationally (except maybe against San Marino or someone like that). We all know how great Jay Bothroyd was...
Also is there a more meaningless phrase in football than passion? |
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I assume people favouring this ludicrous suggestion don't actually watch the Championship. As a season ticket holder at Reading there is absolutely no way that a majority of the players I see week in week out would ever be good enough to play in the Premier League, let alone internationally (except maybe against San Marino or someone like that). We all know how great Jay Bothroyd was...
Also is there a more meaningless phrase in football than passion? |
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Nobody in the Championship is good enough for England. But Roy has to pick the best team not the best players and I don't think he's doing that.
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A number of players who started out in the lower leagues went with England..
Hart Baines Lallana Lambert Others have had loan spells into the Championship like Barkley and Henderson. If it was just about players being paid too much that they don't care then why are the favourites: Germany Brazil Spain Germany Netherlands Even the players from Chile won't be on peanuts in most cases... Ok Costa Rica have been the surprise but their goalscorer yesterday was a massive waste of money for Fulham who probably wouldn't be pick for anyone else. |
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Nobody in the Championship is good enough for England. But Roy has to pick the best team not the best players and I don't think he's doing that.
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Not sure I entirely agree with that. Many foreign Championship players play for teams who would give England a good match.
maybe the managers of those teams are concentrating more on the balance of their side rather than just trying to fit the "best" players into an XI which is what he was saying |
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that doesn't invalidate the point that FrankieF made
maybe the managers of those teams are concentrating more on the balance of their side rather than just trying to fit the "best" players into an XI which is what he was saying |
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I think we're saying the same thing. It's the best team that is important and that may mean looking at some Championship players. This isn't a new idea. I recall Dave Jones saying it and was it Sven who said he wouldn't rule out Championship players?
the example you gave of left back is one area that looks strong for England tbh from my perspective the only two positions that could have been questioned were right-back , no obvious cover for Johnson and doubts over his quality , and a defensive midfielder , don't really think there was one in the squad which led to gerrard being played a lot deeper than he probably should have now I don't really follow championship football apart from the odd game but not sure if there is anyone you could say would definitely have been an improvement over Johnson at right back. maybe hodgson had decided he didn't need an out and out holding midfielder in the squad , which is another debate altogether. |
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Not sure I entirely agree with that. Many foreign Championship players play for teams who would give England a good match.
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I reckon England should call up BNP members or Combat18 (if they're still going).
After all, all that's needed is 'pashun'. The reality of England's world cup so far. We have a young inexperienced squad with potential for the future We are playing in a hot and humid climate that the players aren't used to We lost two incredibly tight games to teams ranked slightly higher than us in FIFA rankings - we could've just as easily had 2,3 or 4 points from those games (luck of the draw groups).. Three of our conceded goals were bad inidividual defensive errors and are nothing to do with "passion" or Roys coaching. |
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where are the gaps in the England team that could have been filled by someone from a lower division tho
the example you gave of left back is one area that looks strong for England tbh from my perspective the only two positions that could have been questioned were right-back , no obvious cover for Johnson and doubts over his quality , and a defensive midfielder , don't really think there was one in the squad which led to gerrard being played a lot deeper than he probably should have now I don't really follow championship football apart from the odd game but not sure if there is anyone you could say would definitely have been an improvement over Johnson at right back. maybe hodgson had decided he didn't need an out and out holding midfielder in the squad , which is another debate altogether. |
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I'm not sure we'd even need to go to the Championship. There are many English players in the Premier League (many at lower clubs) who didn't get a look-in this time, but ask yourself if the majority of them are really good enough to play in the national side?
Right backs: Kyle Walker Micah Richards Nathaniel Clyne Carl Jenkinson Kyle Naughton Centre backs: Steven Caulker Ryan Shawcross James Tomkins Michael Dawson Joleon Lescott Left backs: Ashley Cole Kieran Gibbs Ryan Bertrand Kieran Richardson Danny Rose Defensive midfielders: Gareth Barry Lee Cattermole Steve Sidwell Jake Livermore Ashley Westwood Out of that lot I'd be willing to give Clyne, Richards, Caulker, Cattermole and Gibbs a go. |
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Most of the English talent in the Championship are probably players rejected at youth team level by Premier league clubs or sold on because they couldn't get games.
I guess the OP is thinking of Rickie Lambert but he signed for Southampton in League One - if they'd been a Premier league side the Saints would have not touched him. Sure there might be some talent but they need to break into a 1st team before even thinking about International football. |
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I'm not sure we'd even need to go to the Championship. There are many English players in the Premier League (many at lower clubs) who didn't get a look-in this time, but ask yourself if the majority of them are really good enough to play in the national side?
Right backs: Kyle Walker Micah Richards Nathaniel Clyne Carl Jenkinson Kyle Naughton Centre backs: Steven Caulker Ryan Shawcross James Tomkins Michael Dawson Joleon Lescott Left backs: Ashley Cole Kieran Gibbs Ryan Bertrand Kieran Richardson Danny Rose Defensive midfielders: Gareth Barry Lee Cattermole Steve Sidwell Jake Livermore Ashley Westwood Out of that lot I'd be willing to give Clyne, Richards, Caulker, Cattermole and Gibbs a go. |
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Charlton striker Reza Ghoochannejhad will go head-to-head with Lionel Messi when Iran take on Argentina on Saturday afternoon (5pm)
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maybe we should look for player's in at least the Championship, they will be hungry, not money mad, and will work hard to prove a point, we can't do any worst.
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Well I did say this before Englands first game, what suddenly makes a player from a relegated PL team, not considered for the England squad, and what makes a player recently promoted from the Championship suddenly good enough to be considered for the National team.
Chile have 1 defender from Forrest and one from Cardiff and that team has done far better than England could of ever hoped for in this WC. And FIFA world rankings have been thrown out for this tournament Holland, France, Costa Rica, Chile are all proving rankings mean little in a tournament. Even countries like Iran and Ghana are taking it to the big boys. |
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