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Old 24-06-2014, 11:01
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Not going to waste my time with this match. The Itay/Uruguay match will be a much better match to watch.
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Old 24-06-2014, 11:23
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What would your starting XI be?
Meaningless question.

I'm not a fan of armchair punditry as a rule. I'm also only mildly interested in football and don't follow a team, but what I would say from my unbiased position on the fence of someone who's first love is rugby is that it occurs to me we got it wrong from the start.
It didn't look to me as if we went to Brazil with a gameplan of how best to play in Brazil in a team game in high temps/humidity. Does anyone seriously think that Hodgson's squad comprised the best defensive line available to him? That's gotta be the backbone of every counter attacking team looking ahead to competitions in humid climes - unless of course you're the England manager who is tasked with trying to field as many premiership "star attractions" as humanly possible as the number one priority rather than the best team for the conditions and opposition.
When I hear the much used phrase "form is temporary, class is permanent" I conclude several things...

1) Fear of media fallout is rife.

2) It's a boys club as opposed to a "team".
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Old 24-06-2014, 11:57
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Fair enough. As far as I am aware though, the prep was meticulous. There was a 72 strong team including a psychiatrist, nutritionists and a turf specialist, a cook and at least one guy whose job seems to be to spray the players with water when they start overheating. They have industrial fans, heat chambers and individually tailored recovery drinks after inviting scientists from Loughborough University to study their sweat patterns. According to the Guardian anyway.

They also played a couple of games in Miami to acclimatize to the temps. The thing is, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. This game is as good as any to try out some of the fringe players and see what they can do. The result isn't that of great importance really. They can only do better than what the so called first team did!
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Old 24-06-2014, 12:09
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Meaningless question.

I'm not a fan of armchair punditry as a rule. I'm also only mildly interested in football and don't follow a team, but what I would say from my unbiased position on the fence of someone who's first love is rugby is that it occurs to me we got it wrong from the start.
It didn't look to me as if we went to Brazil with a gameplan of how best to play in Brazil in a team game in high temps/humidity. .
The temperature when England played Uruguay in Sao Paolo was something like 15C, about the same as a typical English Saturday afternoon in early October or April, so they can hardly blame the heat for that defeat.
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Old 24-06-2014, 12:18
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Speaking in general about the England team; I don't think there's an issue of how much effort they put in. They typically run the distances you would expect them to run in matches, etc. But there's something else, something beyond effort, that I don't seem to see in the English players that I see in most other national teams.

It's that do-or-die intensity above and beyond doing what's expected of you. It's not something that can be manufactured, it's either there or it isn't. And generally I don't think it's there in this current set of players (when they're playing for England instead of their club).

It doesn't help that they don't all have great, consistent technique as well - but neither do quite a few other teams at the World Cup. But they play to a system they're all comfortable with and they play with an incredible intensity to make up for it.


The England team is actually a rather interesting, puzzling, odd and dysfunctional team in many ways. They're complicated. They just need to try and strip everything down to its basics and play to a system. As it is, you could watch 10 England games in a row and see 10 different random levels of team performance.

They are utterly lost with how to apply themselves in the right way in the international arena. Every now and then they might latch on to some good spells, but it's more down to luck than judgement when it happens.

They just don't seem to 'get' it.
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Old 24-06-2014, 12:22
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Fair enough. As far as I am aware though, the prep was meticulous. There was a 72 strong team including a psychiatrist, nutritionists and a turf specialist, a cook and at least one guy whose job seems to be to spray the players with water when they start overheating. They have industrial fans, heat chambers and individually tailored recovery drinks after inviting scientists from Loughborough University to study their sweat patterns. According to the Guardian anyway.
A phrase regarding unlimited amounts of polish and a turd spring to mind

This game is as good as any to try out some of the fringe players and see what they can do. The result isn't that of great importance really. They can only do better than what the so called first team did!
Some yes.... but all of the remaining squad?

They've had four years and god knows how many friendlies to try out fringe players but they never play them alongside the bulk of the first team choices so what's the point? What do you learn?

Today's game is a chance to have a seriously competitive friendly because there's nothing to lose so it's an opportunity wasted. Will today's eleven resemble the starting eleven for the next qualifier? I seriously doubt it, but rather than start that campaign today Hodgson is opting for the "give 'em all a game, nicely nicely approach."

England don't get many non competetive games with which to blood a few new faces and you can guarantee that the next one will be a game of 10 subs fielded, promises to clubs not to keep their "stars" on the pitch for 90 minutes and the odd cry-off due to niggly injury or whatever.
It would appear that Hodgson is happy with that arrangement what with the relaxed attitude he's adopting to this fixture. His selection doesn't express a desire to build anything other than his pension pot.
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Old 24-06-2014, 12:48
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Despite this supposedly being a weakened team, I would expect several of these players to put in better performances than those who played against Uruguay and Italy.

The only question is the attitude of the players and whether or not their heart is really in it. If they can get themselves motivated, this is a good chance for one or two in particular to shine and show Hodgson that he got it wrong in the previous two games... which I think he did.
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Old 24-06-2014, 12:51
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More accurate description perhaps - so Roy is giving the second XI the 'starting a WC game' experience (Cahill and Sturridge excepted).
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Old 24-06-2014, 14:06
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not sure how motivated Costa Rica will be, although I hope Campbell does enough that Wenger doesn't loan him out yet again.
I expect the youngsters to play, although might be an idea to copy the Spanish and let the remaining squad members have a game.
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Old 24-06-2014, 15:48
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England can't really afford to lose this game. Losing 2 games is disappointing, but going home having lost all 3 group games would be an embarrassment.
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Old 24-06-2014, 15:57
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Hi guys, just checked ITV and it's on at 4pm, and coming on in afew minutes. 5pm would have suited me, but there you are, you can't have everything. Hope England plays a good game.
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Old 24-06-2014, 16:02
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Hi guys, just checked ITV and it's on at 4pm, and coming on in afew minutes. 5pm would have suited me, but there you are, you can't have everything. Hope England plays a good game.
They kick off at 5pm, an hour of build up first.
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Old 24-06-2014, 16:06
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Looks like an hour of chat and opinions, then game starts at 5pm, so will grin and and bare it.


Hey DS, post looks very odd, and not like it was.

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Old 24-06-2014, 16:07
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They kick off at 5pm, an hour of build up first.
Yep, so I just found out, and posted in another post. I could always close my eyes for that hour.
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Old 24-06-2014, 16:12
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Yep, so I just found out, and posted in another post. I could always close my eyes for that hour.
Not a bad idea. Having chosen to watch Italy v Uruguay I guess it was too much to ask for itv to have a separate build up specifically for that match and not focused purely on England, so I'm just watching it in the background now as well.
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Old 24-06-2014, 16:12
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England can't really afford to lose this game. Losing 2 games is disappointing, but going home having lost all 3 group games would be an embarrassment.
Forget England, what about the poor DS Forums server?
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Old 24-06-2014, 16:25
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Not a bad idea. Having chosen to watch Italy v Uruguay I guess it was too much to ask for itv to have a separate build up specifically for that match and not focused purely on England, so I'm just watching it in the background now as well.
If hub was here he could save one match for me, while I watch the other, but he's at work. Just like ITV to have 2 matches at same time. duh!
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Old 24-06-2014, 16:25
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This will be the first England tournament game since 2002 I've watched at home and not in a Pub, just cannot be bothered to spend the money on an utterly pointless game.

I hope we don't have to repeat this thoroughly miserable experience anytime soon
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Old 24-06-2014, 16:32
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Can Hodgson really win in the eyes of the press.

Another defeat and it will be a disaster...win and it will be "well its all too late now"

Reckon it will be a dour draw...
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Old 24-06-2014, 16:32
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I don't think I have ever seen the pre-match warm on on TV

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/27459555
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Old 24-06-2014, 16:37
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Is there anyway imaginable that England can still qualify for the next round?
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Old 24-06-2014, 16:38
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Both ITV channels talking about the England game...spoiled for choice aren't we.
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Old 24-06-2014, 16:40
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I'm not a fan of armchair punditry as a rule. I'm also only mildly interested in football and don't follow a team,
Does anyone seriously think that Hodgson's squad comprised the best defensive line available to him?
Who should he have taken then?
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Old 24-06-2014, 16:43
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An extremely inexperienced team today, you'd have to be a bit of a **** to be harsh on them for not winning this one.

Would love to finish with a positive boost though. Come on England.
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Old 24-06-2014, 16:43
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They've had four years and god knows how many friendlies to try out fringe players but they never play them alongside the bulk of the first team choices so what's the point? What do you learn?
No they haven't because several of the squad have only been top players for a year or two, either because of age or form.
Shaw, Barkley, Oxlade-Chaimberlain, Smalling, Jones, Sterling, Sturridge, Lallana, Lambert etc.

ETA: Andros Townsend who's on telly now is out injured. He would have been there but has only shot on to the scene in the past year.
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