Harry Redknapp: some Tottenham players tried to avoid England duty
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if he is not going to name and shame the players then I am not sure why we should believe the word of someone who is clearly still bitter about being overlooked in favour of hodgson
Quote:
“Weve got good players, players who are good week-in, week-out in the "Premier League. You look at half the other teams in the tournament and there are loads of players who come to the Premier League and couldnt get a game ... You know weve got better players than them but for some reason with good manager after good manager, we just dont get results.”
“Weve got good players, players who are good week-in, week-out in the "Premier League. You look at half the other teams in the tournament and there are loads of players who come to the Premier League and couldnt get a game ... You know weve got better players than them but for some reason with good manager after good manager, we just dont get results.”
Nah, he's completely wrong with those comments. If we had good players we'd have reached a semi-final WC in the last twenty years. Heck, we've reached just one semi-final since 1966!
He's just deluding himself our players are good enough. The facts, the actual results since 1966, prove him wrong. He's too close to football to see it objectively, When you're too close to a sport it's hard to remain objective. I doubt the 2014 England team would have done any better under Redknapp. Perhaps we might have got out of the group stage but I doubt we'd have got much further. Still, I'd prefer him to Roy 'no inspiration' Hodgson!
Non story really. The period he talks about was the Capello era which we already know wasn't great in terms of player happiness levels. His comments about being mystified by Englands lack of performance.. join the club.
I've heard it from lots of people ... think Trevor Brooking talked about it once before. Playing for England is seen as a curse by many ... mostly because of the media and fan pressure and the sort of criticism that's being doled out now. It's not very often the players get any praise or recognition for doing it ... It's supposed to be an honour but miss a penalty or something and become an overnight laughing stock ... get sent off during a crucial game and have your face made into a dartboard by the tabloids. We over react ... and have unrealistic expectations.
Redknapp still holds on to the misguided belief our players are "good enough."
Well, being 'good' is not enough, you have to have a few 'great' players to score a few 'great' goals. I think that's the magic secret (well, hardly a secret, kinda obvious!) how to do well in World Cups and Euros. And a decent defence helps too, not one with holes so big you could drive a tank through 'em.
Well, being 'good' is not enough, you have to have a few 'great' players to score a few 'great' goals. I think that's the magic secret (well, hardly a secret, kinda obvious!) how to do well in World Cups and Euros. And a decent defence helps too, not one with holes so big you could drive a tank through 'em.
Redknapp's a fool. English players are massively overrated and overvalued and always have been. Most of the players from smaller or developing football nations have more talent and technical ability than England players. Watching Ghana play against Germany yesterday was instructive. England hasn't got anywhere near the talent or technical ability or the Ghanaian side.
England always overhype it's players out of some insecure need to be seen as "world-beaters".
Can you imagine if Tim Cahill, Clint Dempsey, or Asomah Cygan were English? They'd be propped up there as being on the same level as a Messi , Pirlo or Ronaldo, or whomever you choose to hail as "world class". As it is, they are just seen as reliable footballers for minor footballing countries, instead of overhyped "world beaters" like Rooney.
England always overhype it's players out of some insecure need to be seen as "world-beaters".
Can you imagine if Tim Cahill, Clint Dempsey, or Asomah Cygan were English? They'd be propped up there as being on the same level as a Messi , Pirlo or Ronaldo, or whomever you choose to hail as "world class". As it is, they are just seen as reliable footballers for minor footballing countries, instead of overhyped "world beaters" like Rooney.
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Redknapp's a fool. English players are massively overrated and overvalued and always have been. Most of the players from smaller or developing football nations have more talent and technical ability than England players. Watching Ghana play against Germany yesterday was instructive. England hasn't got anywhere near the talent or technical ability or the Ghanaian side.
England always overhype it's players out of some insecure need to be seen as "world-beaters".
Can you imagine if Tim Cahill, Clint Dempsey, or Asomah Cygan were English? They'd be propped up there as being on the same level as a Messi , Pirlo or Ronaldo, or whomever you choose to hail as "world class". As it is, they are just seen as reliable footballers for minor footballing countries, instead of overhyped "world beaters" like Rooney.”
“Redknapp's a fool. English players are massively overrated and overvalued and always have been. Most of the players from smaller or developing football nations have more talent and technical ability than England players. Watching Ghana play against Germany yesterday was instructive. England hasn't got anywhere near the talent or technical ability or the Ghanaian side.
England always overhype it's players out of some insecure need to be seen as "world-beaters".
Can you imagine if Tim Cahill, Clint Dempsey, or Asomah Cygan were English? They'd be propped up there as being on the same level as a Messi , Pirlo or Ronaldo, or whomever you choose to hail as "world class". As it is, they are just seen as reliable footballers for minor footballing countries, instead of overhyped "world beaters" like Rooney.”
To be fair, the now 34 years old Tim Chaill played in the Premier League for many years and was never a real star.
Clint Dempsey even less so.
Wayne Rooney, John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Ashley Cole at their peak have clearly been better players than those you have mentioned.
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Redknapp's a fool. English players are massively overrated and overvalued and always have been. Most of the players from smaller or developing football nations have more talent and technical ability than England players. Watching Ghana play against Germany yesterday was instructive. England hasn't got anywhere near the talent or technical ability or the Ghanaian side.
England always overhype it's players out of some insecure need to be seen as "world-beaters".
Can you imagine if Tim Cahill, Clint Dempsey, or Asomah Cygan were English? They'd be propped up there as being on the same level as a Messi , Pirlo or Ronaldo, or whomever you choose to hail as "world class". As it is, they are just seen as reliable footballers for minor footballing countries, instead of overhyped "world beaters" like Rooney.”
“Redknapp's a fool. English players are massively overrated and overvalued and always have been. Most of the players from smaller or developing football nations have more talent and technical ability than England players. Watching Ghana play against Germany yesterday was instructive. England hasn't got anywhere near the talent or technical ability or the Ghanaian side.
England always overhype it's players out of some insecure need to be seen as "world-beaters".
Can you imagine if Tim Cahill, Clint Dempsey, or Asomah Cygan were English? They'd be propped up there as being on the same level as a Messi , Pirlo or Ronaldo, or whomever you choose to hail as "world class". As it is, they are just seen as reliable footballers for minor footballing countries, instead of overhyped "world beaters" like Rooney.”
Where was all of this talent and technical ability of Ghana against the USA? Asamoah Gyan is the perfect example of a mercenary footballer playing at a dire level for masses of money. Tim Cahill, Clint Dempsey or Asamoah Gyan aren't close to Rooney's ability. 442 games and 216 goals for Manchester United speaks for itself.
Given that a larger number of younger fans now don't give a fig about England and just care about their clubs, I wouldn't be surprised if such an attitude has infested some players who then find REPRESENTING THEIR COUNTRY a chore.
It's unfathomable to me, frankly. We're almost embarrased to be proud these days - St George's Day a prime example. More people celebrate St Patrick's Day than they do their own national day. Probably because it excuses getting rat arsed.
Somehow, that sums it all up...
It's unfathomable to me, frankly. We're almost embarrased to be proud these days - St George's Day a prime example. More people celebrate St Patrick's Day than they do their own national day. Probably because it excuses getting rat arsed.
Somehow, that sums it all up...
Originally Posted by mattlamb:
“To be fair, the now 34 years old Tim Chaill played in the Premier League for many years and was never a real star.
Clint Dempsey even less so.
Wayne Rooney, John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Ashley Cole at their peak have clearly been better players than those you have mentioned.”
“To be fair, the now 34 years old Tim Chaill played in the Premier League for many years and was never a real star.
Clint Dempsey even less so.
Wayne Rooney, John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Ashley Cole at their peak have clearly been better players than those you have mentioned.”
Cahill is one of the best players in Everton's history. He was the top scorer and Everton's player of the season in 2005-06. And he was the first Everton player in 18 years to be among the 50 longlisted players for the B'allon Dor in 2006. Cahill was a world-class footballer, but wasn't hyped as such because Everton wasn't a big team, and he wasn't English (or even British).
Dempsey was Fulham's top scorer for much of his time there. Again, like Cahill, he was putting in an impressive shift for a mid-to-lower table team, without recieving much hype or glamour as some of the English players who benefitted from playing with huge clubs with a lot of world-class players around them. Dempsey got a move to Tottenham in 2012, but was arguably past his peak.
If either Cahill or Dempsey were English, they'd have been moved to big clubs very early in their careers, and treated like world beaters (and both have impressive international careers, which get little respect because of their countries). So no, I don't really think Rooney, Gerrad, Terry or Cole were "clearly better players" at all. They certainly played for better teams and had better players surrounding them though.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“ Tim Cahill, Clint Dempsey or Asamoah Gyan aren't close to Rooney's ability. 442 games and 216 goals for Manchester United speaks for itself.”
“ Tim Cahill, Clint Dempsey or Asamoah Gyan aren't close to Rooney's ability. 442 games and 216 goals for Manchester United speaks for itself.”
Rooney's playing for MANCHESTER UNITED..... where there is a world class player in every bloody postion to feed him the ball and serve up goals on a plate. It's not hard to look good when you are surrounded by great players. This is basically how England have overhyped themselves. The top Premier League clubs are full of world-class, mostly non-English talent. And they makes lesser English players look better than they are.
When England get together as a team, we tend to see the real talent level of English players, and it's not that impressive.
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Cahill is one of the best players in Everton's history. He was the top scorer and Everton's player of the season in 2005-06. And he was the first Everton player in 18 years to among the 50 longlisted players for the B'allon Dor in 2006. Cahill was a world-class footballer, but wasn't hyped as such because Everton wasn't a big team, and he wasn't English (or even British).
Dempsey was Fulham's top scorer for much of his time there. Again, like Cahill, he was putting in an impressive shift for a mid-to-lower table team, without recieving much hype or glamour as some of the English players who benefitted from playing with huge clubs with a lot of world-class players around them. Dempsey got a move to Tottenham in 2012, but was arguably past his peak.
If either Cahill or Dempsey were English, they'd have been moved to big clubs very early in their careers, and treated like world beaters (and both have impressive international careers, which get little respect because of their countries). So no, I don't really think Rooney, Gerrad, Terry or Cole were "clearly better players" at all. They certainly played for better teams and had better players surrounding them though.”
“Cahill is one of the best players in Everton's history. He was the top scorer and Everton's player of the season in 2005-06. And he was the first Everton player in 18 years to among the 50 longlisted players for the B'allon Dor in 2006. Cahill was a world-class footballer, but wasn't hyped as such because Everton wasn't a big team, and he wasn't English (or even British).
Dempsey was Fulham's top scorer for much of his time there. Again, like Cahill, he was putting in an impressive shift for a mid-to-lower table team, without recieving much hype or glamour as some of the English players who benefitted from playing with huge clubs with a lot of world-class players around them. Dempsey got a move to Tottenham in 2012, but was arguably past his peak.
If either Cahill or Dempsey were English, they'd have been moved to big clubs very early in their careers, and treated like world beaters (and both have impressive international careers, which get little respect because of their countries). So no, I don't really think Rooney, Gerrad, Terry or Cole were "clearly better players" at all. They certainly played for better teams and had better players surrounding them though.”
Rooney, Gerrard, Terry and Cole are quite clearly a level above Cahill, Dempsey or Gyan. It has nothing to do with nationality. If Cahill etc was better than Gerrard etc then they would have been signed by the top clubs.
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Rooney's playing for MANCHESTER UNITED..... where there is a world class player in every bloody postion to feed him the ball and serve up goals on a plate. It's not hard to look good when you are surrounded by great players. This is basically how England have overhyped themselves. The top Premier League clubs are full of world-class, mostly non-English talent. And they makes lesser English players look better than they are.
When England get together as a team, we tend to see the real talent level of English players, and it's not that impressive.”
“Rooney's playing for MANCHESTER UNITED..... where there is a world class player in every bloody postion to feed him the ball and serve up goals on a plate. It's not hard to look good when you are surrounded by great players. This is basically how England have overhyped themselves. The top Premier League clubs are full of world-class, mostly non-English talent. And they makes lesser English players look better than they are.
When England get together as a team, we tend to see the real talent level of English players, and it's not that impressive.”
You don't score 216 goals for Manchester United if you aren't world class. It's nonsense to say Cahill, Dempsey or Gyan are on the same level as Rooney.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Rooney, Gerrard, Terry and Cole are quite clearly a level above Cahill, Dempsey or Gyan. It has nothing to do with nationality. If Cahill etc was better than Gerrard etc then they would have been signed by the top clubs.”
“Rooney, Gerrard, Terry and Cole are quite clearly a level above Cahill, Dempsey or Gyan. It has nothing to do with nationality. If Cahill etc was better than Gerrard etc then they would have been signed by the top clubs.”
Right....
I guess that means Andy Carroll is also a better player than Cahill, Dempsey and Gyan.
After all, Carroll was signed by Liverpool for 35 million after half a decent season with Newcastle.It's bollocks. Carroll was overhyped, overpriced and overrated like most English players who have a decent run. Nationality had everything to do with it, in that instance.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“You don't score 216 goals for Manchester United if you aren't world class. It's nonsense to say Cahill, Dempsey or Gyan are on the same level as Rooney.”
“You don't score 216 goals for Manchester United if you aren't world class. It's nonsense to say Cahill, Dempsey or Gyan are on the same level as Rooney.”
Scoring goals for a club side over a decade doesn't automatically make you world class.
A very arrogant statement - United's status as a club in world terms doesn't extend to all their players having that same status.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“You don't score 216 goals for Manchester United if you aren't world class. It's nonsense to say Cahill, Dempsey or Gyan are on the same level as Rooney.”
“You don't score 216 goals for Manchester United if you aren't world class. It's nonsense to say Cahill, Dempsey or Gyan are on the same level as Rooney.”
Andy Cole scored a shitload of goals for Manchester United as well....how many consider Cole to be "world class"? Or maybe Cole, like Rooney, was a good footballer who played in a side full of excellent club level talent, that made poaching goals regularly something of a formality for any decent foward.
Harry Redknapp didn't half sound like a complacent arrogant so and so on 5live!
Just basically said there is no way we should be losing to Italy or Uruguay claiming none of their players would get into Premier league sides apart from Suarez and Cavani.
Maybe that is sometimes an issue - we get a bit cocky and think too much of ourselves at times.
As for the article in question - bet Redknapp was more than happy to let them not go on International duty.
Just basically said there is no way we should be losing to Italy or Uruguay claiming none of their players would get into Premier league sides apart from Suarez and Cavani.
Maybe that is sometimes an issue - we get a bit cocky and think too much of ourselves at times.
As for the article in question - bet Redknapp was more than happy to let them not go on International duty.
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Right....
I guess that means Andy Carroll is also a better player than Cahill, Dempsey and Gyan.After all, Carroll was signed by Liverpool for 35 million after half a decent season with Newcastle.
It's bollocks. Carroll was overhyped, overpriced and overrated like most English players who have a decent run. Nationality had everything to do with it, in that instance.”
“Right....
I guess that means Andy Carroll is also a better player than Cahill, Dempsey and Gyan.
After all, Carroll was signed by Liverpool for 35 million after half a decent season with Newcastle.It's bollocks. Carroll was overhyped, overpriced and overrated like most English players who have a decent run. Nationality had everything to do with it, in that instance.”
Yes but Rooney is miles better than Andy Carroll.
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“Scoring goals for a club side over a decade doesn't automatically make you world class.
A very arrogant statement - United's status as a club in world terms doesn't extend to all their players having that same status.”
“Scoring goals for a club side over a decade doesn't automatically make you world class.
A very arrogant statement - United's status as a club in world terms doesn't extend to all their players having that same status.”
Quote:
“Honours
Club: Manchester United
Premier League (5): 200607, 200708, 200809, 201011, 201213
Football League Cup (2): 200506, 200910
FA Community Shield (3): 2007, 2010, 2011
UEFA Champions League (1): 200708
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008
Individual:
PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 200910
PFA Young Player of the Year (2): 200405, 200506
PFA Fans' Player of the Year (2): 200506, 200910
PFA Premier League Team of the Year (3): 200506, 200910, 201112
FWA Footballer of the Year (1): 200910
Goal of the Season (3): 200405, 200607, 201011
Goal of the Month (6): October 2003, January 2005, April 2005, January 2007, March 2007, February 2011
Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year (2): 200506, 200910
BBC Young Sports Personality of the Year (1): 2002
Bravo Award (1): 2003
UEFA Euro 2004 Team of the Tournament
FIFPro World Young Player of the Year (1): 200405
Premier League Player of the Month (5): February 2005, December 2005, March 2006, October 2007, January 2010
Barclays Premier League Player of the Year (1): 200910
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (199293 to 201112):
Best Goal (vs. Manchester City, 12 February 2011)
FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball (1): 2008
England Player of the Year (2): 2008, 2009
Golden Boot Landmark Award 20 (1): 200910
FIFA/FIFPro World XI (1): 2011”
“Honours
Club: Manchester United
Premier League (5): 200607, 200708, 200809, 201011, 201213
Football League Cup (2): 200506, 200910
FA Community Shield (3): 2007, 2010, 2011
UEFA Champions League (1): 200708
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008
Individual:
PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 200910
PFA Young Player of the Year (2): 200405, 200506
PFA Fans' Player of the Year (2): 200506, 200910
PFA Premier League Team of the Year (3): 200506, 200910, 201112
FWA Footballer of the Year (1): 200910
Goal of the Season (3): 200405, 200607, 201011
Goal of the Month (6): October 2003, January 2005, April 2005, January 2007, March 2007, February 2011
Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year (2): 200506, 200910
BBC Young Sports Personality of the Year (1): 2002
Bravo Award (1): 2003
UEFA Euro 2004 Team of the Tournament
FIFPro World Young Player of the Year (1): 200405
Premier League Player of the Month (5): February 2005, December 2005, March 2006, October 2007, January 2010
Barclays Premier League Player of the Year (1): 200910
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (199293 to 201112):
Best Goal (vs. Manchester City, 12 February 2011)
FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball (1): 2008
England Player of the Year (2): 2008, 2009
Golden Boot Landmark Award 20 (1): 200910
FIFA/FIFPro World XI (1): 2011”
517 games 232 goals at club level and 94 caps 40 goals at international level. It is laughable not to label him world class given what he has achieved and the goals and performances he has put in.
Originally Posted by Boxfresh:
“Andy Cole scored a shitload of goals for Manchester United as well....how many consider Cole to be "world class"? Or maybe Cole, like Rooney, was a good footballer who played in a side full of excellent club level talent, that made poaching goals regularly something of a formality for any decent foward.”
“Andy Cole scored a shitload of goals for Manchester United as well....how many consider Cole to be "world class"? Or maybe Cole, like Rooney, was a good footballer who played in a side full of excellent club level talent, that made poaching goals regularly something of a formality for any decent foward.”
Wayne Rooney is again better than Andy Cole.
Originally Posted by Parthenon:
“Never underestimate Harry Redknapp's ability to fabricate/re-write past events.”
“Never underestimate Harry Redknapp's ability to fabricate/re-write past events.”
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“ there were two or three players who did not want to play for England,”
“ there were two or three players who did not want to play for England,”
I find that when people say "... there were two or three ..." they are usually fibbing in part or whole.
So were there two or were there three or was there just the one which is most likely? He was their manager. Surely if he can remember the incidents he can remember their names and also their dogs' names for bank transfer purposes.
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