You've got it completely wrong. It's easy for a good player to look good in a weak side (big fish in a small pond scenario) but it's actually difficult to do so in a good side. Often, the players who aren't up to standard stick out like a sore thumb. Just look at the likes of Welbeck and Fellaini.

World Class but only scored 1 goal this year in the finals. If he was world class he wouldn't be playing for an England club because the Spanish giants will pay huge sums for players who(Bale, Febregas, etc),

Maybe Cappello had it right when he stated "he only plays well for Manchester United"

What he has achieved at international level is very little apart from goals, no tournament and more often than not a blank sheet when it comes to goals in finals.

Scoring in friendlies doesn't matter if you get dumped out the World Cup with 1 goals and the worst record since 1958.

Like most the England team he an average players who has a club side which help cover up his inadequate technical ability.

That's absolute nonsense. He's playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world and consistently scores goals and wins league titles and the Champions League. If not winning a trophy at international level marks you out as not being world class then Ronaldo and Messi aren't either.

Rooney is a world class player and if played in his correct position you'd probably have seen England through in this group.

Rooney is crap. Hope that helps

I guess the FA and Roy know of this, but Gerrard hasnt had players speak to him. Does this mean they don't want to play for Hodgson and would they have under Redknapp?

You know nothing about football, so your point is invalid.

You think Rooney is world class. One of us knows nothing about football, that's a given

Look at his record and what he has won. Look at Sir Alex Ferguson hailing him as world class. Any football manager would laugh in your face if you said to them Rooney was crap. So nothing probably sums it up.

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He's not crap, it's an overstatement to counter balance the stupidity of labelling him world class. He's a good footballer and he's had a good club career, even though his bottom level is absolutely shocking. He's been a bit more consistent in recent years but when he was younger he regularly went six months where couldn't even control the ball and he rarely gets over 20 league goals a season. He's obviously in the bracket below world class footballers

That's wierd, I clicked on this thread thinking it was about Harry Redknapp & Tottenham, but it turns out it's actually another "is Rooney world class?!" thread.

Must be a forum glitch or something.

Yes weird. I suggest people edit their Rooney posts with ".........." as I have just done.

For older posts here I have alerted the mods to my posts here.

If Redknapp doesn't name the players then you might as well talk about the weather.

Again, listing mostly domestic honours actually highlights his lack of impact on world football. The only credible entry is when he burst onto the scene in 2004. Are all the English players who've scored 200+ goals in the Premier League worked class then?

I'm not saying for one mement he's poor but world class is stretching things too far frankly. It belittles the players who have consistently performed on the world stage if nothing else.

Did all the other players win the champions league? Score 40 at international level? 85 games 33 goals at European level? If you are one of the best players at a top team in probably the best and most competitive elite league in the world then how could you not be world class?

All this Rooney hate, people need to take a look at themselves, as someone has said on this board earlier, it is quite disturbing the level of nastiness that is coming out about him.

I will be glad when the World Cup is over, so the people that trot out such garbage will drift away.

Nah everything is Rooney's fault, its his fault the Tottenham players 'alledgedly' refused to turn out for England, just like it was during the week when it pissed down with rain round here.

World class examples

Pele
Ronaldo
Messi
Zidane
Beckenbauer

Next level examples

Rooney
Gerrard
Moore ??
Muller


Many others in both levels

Harry Redknapp in "talking bollocks" shocker.

The tw*t.

But Messi hasn't really done it at World Cups, doesn't that discredit him entirely? Even Steven "never played well for England" Gerrard has scored more goals at the World Cup.

He's just scored two brilliant late winners while Rooney is packing his suitcase

Yeah but Messi's only got 1 more goal than Rooney at World Cups, and since World Cups appear to be the only measure by which you can determine whether a player is world class or not, that's not a huge difference is it?

All that and yet still England failed to reach the knockout stages because they didn't score enough goals.

It's easy to look "world class" when you some of Europe's best wingers passing you the ball.

Domestic level football isn't an accurate way of telling if someone is world class.

The obvious problem is that the English players in these teams are being carried by better technical foreign players. When all the English players are put together in a national team then their lack of skill is quite prevalent and easy to see. What you end up with is 11 players on the pitch who are anything but world class but look good on weekend due being propped up their foreign team mates.

Messi is 5 times the player Rooney is. He would find it insulting that you are even mentioning Rooneys name in the same sentence as his. If you don't already know that, it's too late

That's my last ever post about Rooney

I'm sure the entire football forum is thankful.