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Do you find it hard supporting a really unpopular housemate on here?
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This year is a bit difficult as Toya is my favourite.
I don't get involved in arguments but it's not nice reading nasty things about your favourite housemate.
I don't get involved in arguments but it's not nice reading nasty things about your favourite housemate.
Originally Posted by sutie:
“I was one of a small group of people railing against the worst abuse I have ever witnessed against a mother dying of cancer. Nothing can even come close to that, so I keep that in mind when considering whether to bother entering the Fray these days.
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“I was one of a small group of people railing against the worst abuse I have ever witnessed against a mother dying of cancer. Nothing can even come close to that, so I keep that in mind when considering whether to bother entering the Fray these days.
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I think the showbiz forum was more hostile than this one (as it often is). There was some weird stuff on there, including someone who swore that her aunt had seen Jade Goody's medical records in the hospital and it said that she was suffering from Munchausens. Why would anyone make that up? I will say however that Max Clifford did her no favours at all, talking such a load of bollocks all the time. It was rather touching seeing Jade herself demolish the lies about her going to India with no idea that she had cancer: I think she was naturally a truthful person and he lied as his default position.
Originally Posted by SunnySunshine:
“Yes. I find that binary way of thinking highly illogical, lazy in a "hard of thinking" kind of way, and tend to think it highlights a lack of understanding of the complexities of life,
Like those who, for instance, reduce the intricate complexities of the biochemistry responsible for weight regulation to "it's calories in vs calories out innit. Simples." It just serves to highlight either ignorance or a desire to over simplify to the point of meaninglessness.”
“Yes. I find that binary way of thinking highly illogical, lazy in a "hard of thinking" kind of way, and tend to think it highlights a lack of understanding of the complexities of life,
Like those who, for instance, reduce the intricate complexities of the biochemistry responsible for weight regulation to "it's calories in vs calories out innit. Simples." It just serves to highlight either ignorance or a desire to over simplify to the point of meaninglessness.”
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Yes to both of these! During BB12 people were always calling me a 'Jay fan' or jeering about 'your beloved Jay' even though I never once said that I supported him or even specially liked him. I just didn't go along with the mass of people in vilifying every last thing he said and did. Oh, and he was often really horribly edited.
Originally Posted by pie-eyed:
“My favourites change a few times throughout the series.
What I really can't stand about this Forum though is the vicious bashing of people based on their past. The meltdown about Jim Davidson before he had even gone through the doors was pathetic. People refusing to watch because of things he'd done years ago that have nothing at all to do with whether or not he would be an entertaining housemate. For this reason alone I think he deserved to win.”
“My favourites change a few times throughout the series.
What I really can't stand about this Forum though is the vicious bashing of people based on their past. The meltdown about Jim Davidson before he had even gone through the doors was pathetic. People refusing to watch because of things he'd done years ago that have nothing at all to do with whether or not he would be an entertaining housemate. For this reason alone I think he deserved to win.”
Of course he didn't deserve to win because he had some dodgy stuff in his past. I was interested to see how far he had changed, but that didn't extend to pretending that the dodgy stuff didn't exist, or that it was all perfectly all right. I am still interested, to some extent. I thought his criticism of Bernard Manning was interesting; that doesn't mean that he deserved to win, but he, like anyone, deserved to be listened to .
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“I have to say that when BB finishes I find it hard to keep caring about the feuds between housemates. I don't spend my time thinking about how vile Connor was or what went on between Gina and Hazel or Jim and Linda. Some people on here seem unable to let it go.”
“I have to say that when BB finishes I find it hard to keep caring about the feuds between housemates. I don't spend my time thinking about how vile Connor was or what went on between Gina and Hazel or Jim and Linda. Some people on here seem unable to let it go.”
If people still express anger at someone's behaviour years ago, it doesn't mean that they have never stopped thinking about them though. It just means that it has come back when people look back at that BB.
And sometimes people behave unexpectedly well or badly outside the house. Grace won a lot of admirers by her resilent approach to Cirque du Celebrite, winning with a broken foot, and then going on to keep her relationship going, sounding positive and upbeat whenever she is interviewed or in some way in the public eye. BB12 Tom and even Luke Marsden were far better on BBOTS than in BB. Cameron was a charming, modest forum member for many years in spite of receiving no end of quite harsh criticism.
Kenneth Tong, on the other hand, was vile beyond belief once out of the house.
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Originally Posted by IoanaP:
“I do that too - pick a girl and a boy. Last year I chose Hazel & Sam, but now I think back then Sam was predictable (maybe boring choice).
This year I haven't finally decided. My girls are Jale & Kimberly, and my boys are Chris & Matthew. I am doing my own evictions of my bottom man & woman next week
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“I do that too - pick a girl and a boy. Last year I chose Hazel & Sam, but now I think back then Sam was predictable (maybe boring choice).
This year I haven't finally decided. My girls are Jale & Kimberly, and my boys are Chris & Matthew. I am doing my own evictions of my bottom man & woman next week
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Snap We must really think alike.
I don't like negativity in general, really. I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt so even if a housemate isn't my favourite I often find myself at odds with the forum. For example, while I don't agree with some of Helen's behaviour I do see some redeeming qualities. I don't think she's quite the devil incarnate she's been painted. Similarly with Jay and Louise (even though my favourites were Aaron and Faye).
This year my favourite is Kimberly so, it's not too bad around here but, in years gone by, I have often confined myself to appreciation threads and rarely ventured out beyond them!
This year my favourite is Kimberly so, it's not too bad around here but, in years gone by, I have often confined myself to appreciation threads and rarely ventured out beyond them!
There is. or used to be, some kind of guidance for this forum that I think means posters aren't supposed to post about hating housemates or refer to other posters as haters. It's okay to post that you or other posters dislike or strongly dislike housemates.
It does get heated and goes to extreme dislike on here and it is difficult to avoid using the word hate to describe what went on last year, for example, in relation to Hazel or Linda Nolan. For me it seems pointless to try to halt the tide of that kind of posting and the sentiment behind it, although arguably the mods could take steps to bring down the temperature. Last year I found it so dispiriting that I stopped wanting to post.
I remember at the time of the peak of the anti-Jade sentiment, which was ferocious, there was one stout defender who ploughed on and on and on undaunted and never gave up.
It does get heated and goes to extreme dislike on here and it is difficult to avoid using the word hate to describe what went on last year, for example, in relation to Hazel or Linda Nolan. For me it seems pointless to try to halt the tide of that kind of posting and the sentiment behind it, although arguably the mods could take steps to bring down the temperature. Last year I found it so dispiriting that I stopped wanting to post.
I remember at the time of the peak of the anti-Jade sentiment, which was ferocious, there was one stout defender who ploughed on and on and on undaunted and never gave up.
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“As a supporter of Linda Nolan I found this forum tough going. I wasn't even a supporter as such, I just thought she was getting a rough deal by the great majority of people on here. Call it a sympathy vote then. In any case observing the forum from the unpopular side of the fence wasn't very pleasant at all. Quite lonely at times too, as the few other people being nice about her seemed to all get banned, presumably due to a lot of "report" button hits from Jim's army of fans. To be honest I was glad when she was eventually evicted so I no longer had to keep defending her but even then, for some, her being evicted wasn't enough and the hate threads/posts kept on coming, each met by the same congratulatory back patting and endorsement from those on the other side.
The whole experience put me off wanting to support housemates for the remainder of the series, and even in this current series I have struggled to get into my normal mode of defending housemates I like. But then again that could just be because these housemates are all a bit crap.”
“As a supporter of Linda Nolan I found this forum tough going. I wasn't even a supporter as such, I just thought she was getting a rough deal by the great majority of people on here. Call it a sympathy vote then. In any case observing the forum from the unpopular side of the fence wasn't very pleasant at all. Quite lonely at times too, as the few other people being nice about her seemed to all get banned, presumably due to a lot of "report" button hits from Jim's army of fans. To be honest I was glad when she was eventually evicted so I no longer had to keep defending her but even then, for some, her being evicted wasn't enough and the hate threads/posts kept on coming, each met by the same congratulatory back patting and endorsement from those on the other side.
The whole experience put me off wanting to support housemates for the remainder of the series, and even in this current series I have struggled to get into my normal mode of defending housemates I like. But then again that could just be because these housemates are all a bit crap.
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Same here.
Nope, not in the slightest.. although I'm wary of relating the word 'support' here to myself, as for me it's more akin to playing Devils' Advocate and/ or trying to add some balance on certain HM's and indeed threads.
Half the fun is commenting on HM's who are generally despised on here- it makes for a far more challenging 'debate', and as long as valid, objective points are made and it's not just a wind up, it's all good surely.
I generally couldn't care less about any reality tv contestants, and if the DS 'hordes' descend on me for having the temerity to make a valid point on one of their most hated (and they do) it's all good. The more the merrier as it were.
Half the fun is commenting on HM's who are generally despised on here- it makes for a far more challenging 'debate', and as long as valid, objective points are made and it's not just a wind up, it's all good surely.
I generally couldn't care less about any reality tv contestants, and if the DS 'hordes' descend on me for having the temerity to make a valid point on one of their most hated (and they do) it's all good. The more the merrier as it were.
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I think the showbiz forum was more hostile than this one (as it often is). There was some weird stuff on there, including someone who swore that her aunt had seen Jade Goody's medical records in the hospital and it said that she was suffering from Munchausens. Why would anyone make that up? I will say however that Max Clifford did her no favours at all, talking such a load of bollocks all the time. It was rather touching seeing Jade herself demolish the lies about her going to India with no idea that she had cancer: I think she was naturally a truthful person and he lied as his default position.
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Yes to both of these! During BB12 people were always calling me a 'Jay fan' or jeering about 'your beloved Jay' even though I never once said that I supported him or even specially liked him. I just didn't go along with the mass of people in vilifying every last thing he said and did. Oh, and he was often really horribly edited.
Of course he didn't deserve to win because he had some dodgy stuff in his past. I was interested to see how far he had changed, but that didn't extend to pretending that the dodgy stuff didn't exist, or that it was all perfectly all right. I am still interested, to some extent. I thought his criticism of Bernard Manning was interesting; that doesn't mean that he deserved to win, but he, like anyone, deserved to be listened to .
If people still express anger at someone's behaviour years ago, it doesn't mean that they have never stopped thinking about them though. It just means that it has come back when people look back at that BB.
And sometimes people behave unexpectedly well or badly outside the house. Grace won a lot of admirers by her resilent approach to Cirque du Celebrite, winning with a broken foot, and then going on to keep her relationship going, sounding positive and upbeat whenever she is interviewed or in some way in the public eye. BB12 Tom and even Luke Marsden were far better on BBOTS than in BB. Cameron was a charming, modest forum member for many years in spite of receiving no end of quite harsh criticism.
Kenneth Tong, on the other hand, was vile beyond belief once out of the house.
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“I think the showbiz forum was more hostile than this one (as it often is). There was some weird stuff on there, including someone who swore that her aunt had seen Jade Goody's medical records in the hospital and it said that she was suffering from Munchausens. Why would anyone make that up? I will say however that Max Clifford did her no favours at all, talking such a load of bollocks all the time. It was rather touching seeing Jade herself demolish the lies about her going to India with no idea that she had cancer: I think she was naturally a truthful person and he lied as his default position.
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Yes to both of these! During BB12 people were always calling me a 'Jay fan' or jeering about 'your beloved Jay' even though I never once said that I supported him or even specially liked him. I just didn't go along with the mass of people in vilifying every last thing he said and did. Oh, and he was often really horribly edited.
Of course he didn't deserve to win because he had some dodgy stuff in his past. I was interested to see how far he had changed, but that didn't extend to pretending that the dodgy stuff didn't exist, or that it was all perfectly all right. I am still interested, to some extent. I thought his criticism of Bernard Manning was interesting; that doesn't mean that he deserved to win, but he, like anyone, deserved to be listened to .
If people still express anger at someone's behaviour years ago, it doesn't mean that they have never stopped thinking about them though. It just means that it has come back when people look back at that BB.
And sometimes people behave unexpectedly well or badly outside the house. Grace won a lot of admirers by her resilent approach to Cirque du Celebrite, winning with a broken foot, and then going on to keep her relationship going, sounding positive and upbeat whenever she is interviewed or in some way in the public eye. BB12 Tom and even Luke Marsden were far better on BBOTS than in BB. Cameron was a charming, modest forum member for many years in spite of receiving no end of quite harsh criticism.
Kenneth Tong, on the other hand, was vile beyond belief once out of the house.
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I had the misfortune to meet Kenneth Tong on the outside and he was even more of an arse that he was inside.
There is no requirement to support a HM. It's pointless and childish.
The forum should be for discussing the show and wider implications, supporting somebody because you relate to them will be hard, particularly if they are unpopular. It may only reinforce your own unpopularity.
The forum should be for discussing the show and wider implications, supporting somebody because you relate to them will be hard, particularly if they are unpopular. It may only reinforce your own unpopularity.
Originally Posted by haphash:
“I find that when the forum has a favourite that you don't like at all that's when it is really tough. The Aaron fan club was very overwhelming !
I would say if you don't fall in with the love that this is actually harder than trying to support an unpopular housemate because at least you can try to write positive things about someone you like. Having said that I don't generally like many of them but usually pick someone just for being not as annoying as the others.
I supported Hazel last year over the Daley incident and the lashing she took from Gina. Not because I particularly liked her but because she didn't deserve the backlash and sexism directed at her. This forum can be very vitriolic at times.”
“I find that when the forum has a favourite that you don't like at all that's when it is really tough. The Aaron fan club was very overwhelming !
I would say if you don't fall in with the love that this is actually harder than trying to support an unpopular housemate because at least you can try to write positive things about someone you like. Having said that I don't generally like many of them but usually pick someone just for being not as annoying as the others.
I supported Hazel last year over the Daley incident and the lashing she took from Gina. Not because I particularly liked her but because she didn't deserve the backlash and sexism directed at her. This forum can be very vitriolic at times.”
Agree.
it was tough going.
Originally Posted by pie-eyed:
“I had the misfortune to meet Kenneth Tong on the outside and he was even more of an arse that he was inside.”
“I had the misfortune to meet Kenneth Tong on the outside and he was even more of an arse that he was inside.”
He seems (and this is not a word I use lightly) to be a psychopath. Repeatedly jeering at Gary Barlow when he little daughter died was some kind of low in any list.
Originally Posted by LuverlyAJ:
“There is no requirement to support a HM. It's pointless and childish.
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“There is no requirement to support a HM. It's pointless and childish.
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There is no requirement, no. But your second sentence seems a little harsh. Do you say the same about anyone who supports a sportsperson or team?
I liked Charley, BB 8. I didn't find it hard liking her, she just amused me no end. I've never supported and out and out baddie like Conor or Jay, I guess that would be hard but as I don't like those sort of men, it's never come up, nor is it ever likely to.
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