If so, they can agree before to just not score, right ? Plain sailing.
Both USA and Germany through if no goals scored ?
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Originally Posted by BlizzardUK:
“If so, they can agree before to just not score, right ? Plain sailing.”
“If so, they can agree before to just not score, right ? Plain sailing.”
It doesn't matter how many goals are scored as long as it's a draw.
If they draw then they both have 5 points and can't be caught.
Prediction: we will be hearing the phrase "Shame of Recife" over the next few days.
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Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“Both will want to win the group though - as they would avoid Argentina in the quarters.”
“Both will want to win the group though - as they would avoid Argentina in the quarters.”
But the team who comes first is meeting France in the quarter finals. I wouldn't say France was weaker than Argentina.
May have worked this out wrong but if Portugal win 2-0 and USA lose 3-0, then the drawing of lots will have to determine the second place in the group as both will have played 3, won 1, drawn 1, lost 1, scored 4 and conceded 6, and both teams drew against each other.
Originally Posted by Peter Venkman:
“Gonna be an emotional day for Klinnsmann. His head says USA, his heart says Germany.”
“Gonna be an emotional day for Klinnsmann. His head says USA, his heart says Germany.”
Really? I don't think Klinsmann wants Germany to do well at all, just like I don't believe Cruyff wants Holland to do well. There are personal scores to be settled.
Germany may be happy with it, but I doubt that the USA will be willing to do that and pretty much guarantee themselves a second round clash with Belgium instead of Algeria/Russia.
Originally Posted by Sabre92:
“Germany may be happy with it, but I doubt that the USA will be willing to do that and pretty much guarantee themselves a second round clash with Belgium instead of Algeria/Russia.”
“Germany may be happy with it, but I doubt that the USA will be willing to do that and pretty much guarantee themselves a second round clash with Belgium instead of Algeria/Russia.”
Belgium are not exactly fright-inducing. Any team from Germany's group will win against any team from Belgium's group.
Chile/Holland are playing for the pleasure of meeting Mexico/Brazil (or possibley Croatia) so winning may be a bad thing....
Me thinks when you are at this stage of the competition then the two groups involved should play at the same time (so this evening the four games of groups A and B should be played at the same time)
It's the sort of thing that would never happen in the Olympics Badminton competition......
Me thinks when you are at this stage of the competition then the two groups involved should play at the same time (so this evening the four games of groups A and B should be played at the same time)
It's the sort of thing that would never happen in the Olympics Badminton competition......
Why don't they wait until the group stages are completed before drawing the first knockout round? It's crazy that a team could be in a position to manipulate who their next opponent is or which side of the knockout competition they play in.
Originally Posted by soulboy77:
“Why don't they wait until the group stages are completed before drawing the first knockout round? It's crazy that a team could be in a position to manipulate who their next opponent is or which side of the knockout competition they play in.”
“Why don't they wait until the group stages are completed before drawing the first knockout round? It's crazy that a team could be in a position to manipulate who their next opponent is or which side of the knockout competition they play in.”
And how on earth would that work? Matches finish at 11pm BST Thursday and start again 5pm BST Saturday, teams out of position, fans out of position and 42 hours until the next match.
Totally unworkable.
^^ I suppose it's down to logistics and stadiums etc, that they have to have a set route to the final.
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“And how on earth would that work? Matches finish at 11pm BST Thursday and start again 5pm BST Saturday, teams out of position, fans out of position and 42 hours until the next match.
Totally unworkable.”
“And how on earth would that work? Matches finish at 11pm BST Thursday and start again 5pm BST Saturday, teams out of position, fans out of position and 42 hours until the next match.
Totally unworkable.”
Not only that, if a team had already qualified they'd have no motivation to win their group.
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“Both will want to win the group though - as they would avoid Argentina in the quarters.”
“Both will want to win the group though - as they would avoid Argentina in the quarters.”
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“ But the team who comes first is meeting France in the quarter finals. I wouldn't say France was weaker than Argentina.”
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But the team who comes first is meeting France in the quarter finals. I wouldn't say France was weaker than Argentina.”
Not definite. France have group E won (barring a massive swing in goal difference), but Argentina haven't won their group yet. If they lost to Nigeria and finished as runners-up they would play France in the last sixteen with the winner of that facing the group G winner in the quarters (assuming of course the group G winners don't go out in the last sixteen).
Originally Posted by soulboy77:
“Why don't they wait until the group stages are completed before drawing the first knockout round? It's crazy that a team could be in a position to manipulate who their next opponent is or which side of the knockout competition they play in.”
“Why don't they wait until the group stages are completed before drawing the first knockout round? It's crazy that a team could be in a position to manipulate who their next opponent is or which side of the knockout competition they play in.”
For the same reason they don't wait until the first round of Wimbledon is completed before drawing the second, as someone else said it's unworkable.
Originally Posted by BlizzardUK:
“If so, they can agree before to just not score, right ? Plain sailing.”
“If so, they can agree before to just not score, right ? Plain sailing.”
No they can't fix the match. Germany will be going for the win and so will USA.
Originally Posted by PhilH36:
“Not definite. France have group E won (barring a massive swing in goal difference), but Argentina haven't won their group yet. If they lost to Nigeria and finished as runners-up they would play France in the last sixteen with the winner of that facing the group G winner in the quarters (assuming of course the group G winners don't go out in the last sixteen).”
“Not definite. France have group E won (barring a massive swing in goal difference), but Argentina haven't won their group yet. If they lost to Nigeria and finished as runners-up they would play France in the last sixteen with the winner of that facing the group G winner in the quarters (assuming of course the group G winners don't go out in the last sixteen).”
I think the most likely scenario is that Germany, France and Argentina will top their groups. In which case Germany is playing France in the quarter finals and Argentina are facing whoever comes second in Germany's group (probably USA). I doubt Argentina, Germany, France or whoever comes second in Germany's group will lose in the round of 16 just based on the groups that they are tied to. However, I could be completely wrong. It has been a surprising world cup so far.
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“May have worked this out wrong but if Portugal win 2-0 and USA lose 3-0, then the drawing of lots will have to determine the second place in the group as both will have played 3, won 1, drawn 1, lost 1, scored 4 and conceded 6, and both teams drew against each other.”
“May have worked this out wrong but if Portugal win 2-0 and USA lose 3-0, then the drawing of lots will have to determine the second place in the group as both will have played 3, won 1, drawn 1, lost 1, scored 4 and conceded 6, and both teams drew against each other.”
This the result I want. Then the US to go out on lots. Cant stand the US fans way to arrogant, want Germany to give them a good hiding. Their faces were a picture, when Portugal got the late equaliser.
Originally Posted by ACU:
“This the result I want. Then the US to go out on lots. Cant stand the US fans way to arrogant, want Germany to give them a good hiding. Their faces were a picture, when Portugal got the late equaliser.”
“This the result I want. Then the US to go out on lots. Cant stand the US fans way to arrogant, want Germany to give them a good hiding. Their faces were a picture, when Portugal got the late equaliser.”
Agree about the USA, USA, USA fans but there's a certain Portugese player who can be a tad arrogant also.
Personally I'd like to see Portugal and USA both lose and Ghana go through on goals scored !
If I was the USA I would just go for the win. Germany will never be anything special with Loew in charge and they're beatable.
Originally Posted by Get Den Watts:
“If I was the USA I would just go for the win. Germany will never be anything special with Loew in charge and they're beatable.”
“If I was the USA I would just go for the win. Germany will never be anything special with Loew in charge and they're beatable.”
Yeah... because they played so much better with Ribbeck or Voller or Klinsmann in charge...
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Yeah... because they played so much better with Ribbeck or Voller or Klinsmann in charge...”
“Yeah... because they played so much better with Ribbeck or Voller or Klinsmann in charge...
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Those three managers had poor teams and had to make do. Loew has the best wealth of talent Germany have had in generations and he's squandering it.
Originally Posted by johnF1971:
“Agree about the USA, USA, USA fans but there's a certain Portugese player who can be a tad arrogant also.
Personally I'd like to see Portugal and USA both lose and Ghana go through on goals scored !”
“Agree about the USA, USA, USA fans but there's a certain Portugese player who can be a tad arrogant also.
Personally I'd like to see Portugal and USA both lose and Ghana go through on goals scored !
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I can forgive the Portuguese player, as he can back up his arrogance. What has the USA done in football? I wouldnt mind Germany and Ghana going through, seems like the ideal result from that group. The Portuguese are poor overall, Ronaldo on his own cant carry that team. Then again I am not sure who could. The other 10 players range from poor - very poor.
Edit - Also notice the USA have MLS league games going on, wtf????
Amongst Ronaldo charitable acts he has
paid for a childs cancer operation
written a letter to a judge on behal fof a fan
haircut in tribute to a child fighting cancer
He has on numerous occasions spoken out for the Palestinians. Snubbed the Israeli players by not swapping his shirt with them after the match.
So hes not all that bad, even if do seem arrogant on the pitch.
paid for a childs cancer operation
written a letter to a judge on behal fof a fan
haircut in tribute to a child fighting cancer
He has on numerous occasions spoken out for the Palestinians. Snubbed the Israeli players by not swapping his shirt with them after the match.
So hes not all that bad, even if do seem arrogant on the pitch.
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