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Old 23-06-2014, 22:15
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Assuming those scenes on Good Friday with Charlie following Ronnie out of the Vic was them two heading off to have sex does this rule them out?

On a side note. Ronnie conceiving just as Lucy was murdered is kind of sick don't you think? reincarnation anyone?
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Old 23-06-2014, 22:20
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Assuming those scenes on Good Friday with Charlie following Ronnie out of the Vic was them two heading off to have sex does this rule them out?

On a side note. Ronnie conceiving just as Lucy was murdered is kind of sick don't you think? reincarnation anyone?
I don't think it rules them out, it doesn't have to take long to conceive a baby. I can't see the conception as sick either, I don't think reincarnation comes into it. Then again, now you mention it, maybe that's what's in the minds of the writers.
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Old 23-06-2014, 22:24
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I never bought into the Ronnie or Charlie theories either. Tonight both of them basically confirmed they hadn't spoken to each other since that night and neither seemed too concerned with anything do to with Lucy.
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Old 23-06-2014, 23:22
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I still wonder about Ronnie, just because she's been so invisible for a while, then returned even crazier than she was when we last saw her.

I don't think its her, but the perfect way to hide the killer from the audience is to not show them at all (even though that'd be so freaking annyoing!)
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Old 24-06-2014, 09:40
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I still wonder about Ronnie, just because she's been so invisible for a while, then returned even crazier than she was when we last saw her.

I don't think its her, but the perfect way to hide the killer from the audience is to not show them at all (even though that'd be so freaking annyoing!)
Only reason Ronnie has been off screen is because of Sam's other commitments. It hasn't been storyline related.

Lee and Cindy were the actual characters written out after Lucy's death so applying your logic to that would pitch them two as the main suspects.

I'm pleased this confirms Ronnie didn't kill Lucy anyway but I'm still lol at the theories Ronnie will now die in childbirth! the reason EE have gone back on making her a villain is because they don't want to lose Sam from the show. I remember her saying the only reason she agreed to stay is because she wanted happier material. Looks like they gave Sam her wish in order to keep her for the foreseeable future.
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Old 24-06-2014, 09:45
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I don't think it rules anything out. Even if Charlie is the father (which we don't know for sure), and even if that was the only possible night they could have slept together (again, we don't know that for sure), it is possible to both have sex and commit murder on the same night.
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Old 24-06-2014, 09:48
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it depends if it was just a quickie or an all nighter really doesnt it and I doublt we will get the info any time soon
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Old 24-06-2014, 09:51
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I don't think it rules anything out. Even if Charlie is the father (which we don't know for sure), and even if that was the only possible night they could have slept together (again, we don't know that for sure), it is possible to both have sex and commit murder on the same night.
Well Ronnie agreed to meet Charlie later in the Vic to tell him she was pregnant with his kid. She changed her mind after the Phil row. So I think we can safely say it is Charlie's. EastEnders pretty much confirmed it. Otherwise they wouldn't have had those scenes in the episode.

Also as someone said above, Charlie made it pretty clear he and Ronnie haven't spoken since the night they had sex (i'm assuming good Friday) and there didn't seem to be any hint from either that they were hiding the fact both had murdered a young girl.

So unless I'm missing something how does that make Ronnie and Charlie main suspects? I get the feeling too many people have drifted out into fan fiction and are losing the key developments as they happen on screen.
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Old 24-06-2014, 09:58
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They could have conceived the day Ronnie ran Lola over.
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Old 24-06-2014, 10:00
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Well Ronnie agreed to meet Charlie later in the Vic. To tell him she was pregnant with his kid. She changed her mind after the Phil row. So I think we can safely say it is Charlie's. EastEnders pretty much confirmed it. Otherwise they wouldn't have had those scenes in the episode.

Also as someone said above, Charlie made it pretty clear he and Ronnie haven't spoken since the night they had sex (i'm assuming good Friday) and there didn't seem to be any hint from either that they were hiding the fact both had murdered a young girl.

So unless I'm missing something how does that make Ronnie and Charlie main suspects? I get the feeling too many people have drifted out into fan fiction and are losing the key developments as they happen on screen.
All I said is that we don't know for sure. Nothing has been confirmed. Ronnie didn't explicitly say that she was meeting Charlie to tell him she was pregnant with his child, and Charlie didn't explicitly say that he hadn't slept with Ronnie before or after Good Friday. The scenes you're talking about could have been put in to throw us off the scent and make us assume that Ronnie and Charlie aren't suspects. And like I said, even if the baby is Charlie's and it was conceived on Good Friday, it still doesn't negate the fact that it is possible to have sex and murder someone on the same night. In fact what could be a better alibi?

I think there's a lot more believability in the Ronnie and Charlie theory than the likes of people going "Oh I think it's Abi because she's acting suspiciously" or something equally obvious. The only theories I've seen so far that I believe could be going somewhere are Ronnie and Charlie one and the Lee one, or the theory that we have basically learnt nothing about who killed her yet and everything has been a red herring so far. Everything else is just way too obvious for something that's going to be going on for another 8 months.
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Old 24-06-2014, 10:11
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What evidence are people saying links Ronnie and Charlie to Lucy's murder? Cos I don't get it either.

I do think this confirms neither were involved. I've always thought it was Lee but now I'm starting to think it was Cindy all along. It is true you keep the killer under the radar and she was written out within the week and has only appeared once since. We know she is coming back and her baby has to fit into this somewhere. The Spraggans are all leaving so what exactly was the point in making TJ the father for a start?

I keep going back to DTCs comments about it being rooted in truth and how he wanted it to make sense. I think the killer being under the Beale roof backs that statement up. We also know that Cindy was not at home on the night Lucy was killed but we haven't been told where she was.

I agree Abi is a silly suspect but so are Charlie and Ronnie imho. I think the OP is spot on. The scenes on Good Friday just set up this story of Ronnie being pregnant. I think Ronnie will end up playing a crucial role in the Nick/Charlie/Dot story later in the year and I don't believe any of it is linked to Lucy Beale.
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Old 24-06-2014, 10:14
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Only reason Ronnie has been off screen is because of Sam's other commitments. It hasn't been storyline related.

Lee and Cindy were the actual characters written out after Lucy's death so applying your logic to that would pitch them two as the main suspects.

I'm pleased this confirms Ronnie didn't kill Lucy anyway but I'm still lol at the theories Ronnie will now die in childbirth! the reason EE have gone back on making her a villain is because they don't want to lose Sam from the show. I remember her saying the only reason she agreed to stay is because she wanted happier material. Looks like they gave Sam her wish in order to keep her for the foreseeable future.
Ronnie could die in childbirth if Sam wants to leave early next year
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Old 24-06-2014, 10:20
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Ronnie could die in childbirth if Sam wants to leave early next year
I don't believe for one second DTC will kill Ronnie. Despite the false rumours it was Linda Henry - DTC wasn't even story producer when she came in, Brigie de Courcy was , Sam was the first person he ever cast because he wanted her in EastEnders since he was a teenager. There was a good interview where he said the only person he wanted as Ronnie was Sam. He basically created the character for her.
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Old 24-06-2014, 10:32
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What evidence are people saying links Ronnie and Charlie to Lucy's murder? Cos I don't get it either.

I do think this confirms neither were involved. I've always thought it was Lee but now I'm starting to think it was Cindy all along. It is true you keep the killer under the radar and she was written out within the week and has only appeared once since. We know she is coming back and her baby has to fit into this somewhere. The Spraggans are all leaving so what exactly was the point in making TJ the father for a start?

I keep going back to DTCs comments about it being rooted in truth and how he wanted it to make sense. I think the killer being under the Beale roof backs that statement up. We also know that Cindy was not at home on the night Lucy was killed but we haven't been told where she was.

I agree Abi is a silly suspect but so are Charlie and Ronnie imho. I think the OP is spot on. The scenes on Good Friday just set up this story of Ronnie being pregnant. I think Ronnie will end up playing a crucial role in the Nick/Charlie/Dot story later in the year and I don't believe any of it is linked to Lucy Beale.
BIB as far as I am aware there is no hard evidence but some people were thinking along the lines of Charlie and Ronnie are drug dealers using the boxing ring as a front which is where Lucy got her cocaine from, Lucy discovered C&R were behind the drugs and threatened to expose them, therefore they killed her - I think I have that right.........
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Old 24-06-2014, 11:22
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I don't think it rules anything out. Even if Charlie is the father (which we don't know for sure), and even if that was the only possible night they could have slept together (again, we don't know that for sure), it is possible to both have sex and commit murder on the same night.
I agree.
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Old 24-06-2014, 11:29
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What evidence are people saying links Ronnie and Charlie to Lucy's murder? Cos I don't get it either.

I do think this confirms neither were involved. I've always thought it was Lee but now I'm starting to think it was Cindy all along. It is true you keep the killer under the radar and she was written out within the week and has only appeared once since. We know she is coming back and her baby has to fit into this somewhere. The Spraggans are all leaving so what exactly was the point in making TJ the father for a start?

I keep going back to DTCs comments about it being rooted in truth and how he wanted it to make sense. I think the killer being under the Beale roof backs that statement up. We also know that Cindy was not at home on the night Lucy was killed but we haven't been told where she was.

I agree Abi is a silly suspect but so are Charlie and Ronnie imho. I think the OP is spot on. The scenes on Good Friday just set up this story of Ronnie being pregnant. I think Ronnie will end up playing a crucial role in the Nick/Charlie/Dot story later in the year and I don't believe any of it is linked to Lucy Beale.

Great post! said everything I was trying to.

If Ronnie and Charlie were dealing drugs why did they not speak to each other for two months?

people have wild imaginations on here.
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Old 24-06-2014, 11:45
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I'm pleased this confirms Ronnie didn't kill Lucy anyway but I'm still lol at the theories Ronnie will now die in childbirth! the reason EE have gone back on making her a villain is because they don't want to lose Sam from the show. I remember her saying the only reason she agreed to stay is because she wanted happier material. Looks like they gave Sam her wish in order to keep her for the foreseeable future.
So, does this mean 'DarkRonnie' has indeed been scrapped?
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Old 24-06-2014, 12:19
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They could have conceived the day Ronnie ran Lola over.
That's what I thought. Charlie and Ronnie slept together a week or so before Good Friday.

I didn't think he followed her out of the pub - but I may have missed something.
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Old 24-06-2014, 13:37
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How does this rule either of them out? So Ronnie is pregnant. We can't even be sure Charlie is the father and I'm sure they could have fit in a quickie on the night Lucy was murdered. I wouldn't be taking anything at face value with this storyline until it is stated as a fact. Ronnie and Charlie are still suspects as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 24-06-2014, 13:44
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I still have my suspicions about Charlie.

Dot was not allowed to see Nick's body in the coffin - the likelihood it is not Nick in there. So who was it? Who bribed Les Coker to go along with the charade that it was Nick's body.

I don't think he is a policeman either. Dot took his lunch to the police station and nobody had heard of him. Not one person. Even if he was 'working undercover' that seems very, very unlikely.

The woman who came to Dot's house and masqueraded as Nick's wife/his mother. She had clearly been drafted in on a whim, and is part of the larger scheme - which I am pretty sure involves drugs.

I don't think his name is Cotton at all, or that he is Dot's grandson. I think Nick is very much alive and using the circumstances of his 'death' for his own advantages.
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Old 24-06-2014, 13:54
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Yeah I agree Charlie is dodgy. I hope he is Dot's grandson though as that means this baby is her great grandchild. Its good to have links for the future.
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Old 26-06-2014, 13:15
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How does this rule either of them out? So Ronnie is pregnant. We can't even be sure Charlie is the father and I'm sure they could have fit in a quickie on the night Lucy was murdered. I wouldn't be taking anything at face value with this storyline until it is stated as a fact. Ronnie and Charlie are still suspects as far as I'm concerned.
Putting in spoilers just in case someone's still hoping for a surprise.

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Old 26-06-2014, 13:19
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Putting in spoilers just in case someone's still hoping for a surprise.

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I don't think there is any need for tags because to be fair, it was obvious throughout Monday's episode Charlie was the dad. The show pretty much spelt it out. They couldn't have really put it anymore bluntly. Ronnie was all set to tell him that he was going to be a father but backed out so she could go off and ''fix her things''. I'm surprised people even questioned it but I suppose everything is subjective.

Anyway at least now one of the shows writers has confirmed Charlie is indeed the father.
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Old 26-06-2014, 13:33
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I agree it seemed obvious (to me), but then it might have been a double bluff. Anyway, no doubt can remain now.

Sharon mentioned another up-coming storyline that seems utterly ridiculous to me, I'll be interested to see how they handle it.
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Old 26-06-2014, 13:36
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I agree it seemed obvious (to me), but then it might have been a double bluff. Anyway, no doubt can remain now.

Sharon mentioned another up-coming storyline that seems utterly ridiculous to me, I'll be interested to see how they handle it.
What was it? I missed her today.
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