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Suarez bites back?
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Straker
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mookle:
“This has probably been shown but this gif clearly shows he went in to bite him

http://a.pomf.se/phdzcy.gif”

Totally conclusive.
doe_a_deer
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Aftershow:
“Yet you can't tell us what further evidence is required, or even available, over and above what we've seen.”

As I said, every available and relevant camera angle and official statements from all relevant parties.
O'Neill
25-06-2014
To not learn after twice being found guilty of this before shows that he must be unhinged in some way, doesn't it?
Aftershow
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by doe_a_deer:
“As I said, every available and relevant camera angle and official statements from all relevant parties.”

Dear me, are you really persisting with this?

We've seen the relevant camera angles. The media, which you hate so much, has made sure of that. Are you suggesting that there is some other unseen camera angle that, contrary to every other angle, will show Suarez not biting him?

Official statements? Chiellini says he bit him. Suarez says he didn't. What else do you think is going to come out?
RotMojo
25-06-2014
Absolutely unreal that there are people here in so much denial. Have a word with yourselves.

Ban from football for 2 years, from ALL competitions. That's what he deserves, irrespective of how that effects Liverpool. They knew what he was when they bought him, and when they kept him on last year.
Mookle
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by O'Neill:
“To not learn after twice being found guilty of this before shows that he must be unhinged in some way, doesn't it?”

Yes, it's animal behaviour.
RotMojo
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by doe_a_deer:
“As I said, every available and relevant camera angle and official statements from all relevant parties.”

Just how are you not understanding the issue? Astounding, it really is. You are simply being stubborn for stubborness' sake now.
scousemick
25-06-2014
Serous question those saying it's not as bad as a bad tackle if you aren't liverpool fans have you played football regularly ? Obviously being bitten isn't as bad as breaking your leg but as a 'bad tackle' obviously it is. I've played against some pretty nasty local teams over the years with reputations of being exactly that and I've seen some bad tackles resulting in pushing , shoving & even brawls however is dread to see the reaction to a bite there would be absolute murder . That tells it's own story
Lojen
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Aftershow:
“Dear me, are you really persisting with this?

We've seen the relevant camera angles. The media, which you hate so much, has made sure of that. Are you suggesting that there is some other unseen camera angle that, contrary to every other angle, will show Suarez not biting him?

Official statements? Chiellini says he bit him. Suarez says he didn't. What else do you think is going to come out?”

Maybe there is an angle that shows an ice cream on Chiellini's shoulder?
Straker
25-06-2014
Joey Barton defends Suarez:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/foo...Chiellini-bite

With friends like that......

.....

And twitchy sponsors:

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/off-the-...ip_161773.html
MargMck
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by O'Neill:
“To not learn after twice being found guilty of this before shows that he must be unhinged in some way, doesn't it?”

Yes, no one in their right mind, however nasty, would choose to bite another person in front of thousands of people and millions watching on TV when the consequences are so obvious.
So it's not behaviour that can easily be unlearned. I think he's probably been a biter since he was a small child and it wasn't curbed in his formative years - now when he gets an adrenaline rush or similar there is a possibility that he will bite like an animal with no warning.
RotMojo
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“Yes, no one in their right mind, however nasty, would choose to bite another person in front of thousands of people and millions watching on TV when the consequences are so obvious.
So it's not behaviour that can easily be unlearned. I think he's probably been a biter since he was a small child and it wasn't curbed in his formative years - now when he gets an adrenaline rush or similar there is a possibility that he will bite like an animal with no warning.”

The consequences are not obvious though. That is perhaps the issue.

2 year ban from football and 12 months of that in jail for ABH. You think that might help him realise?
Eurostar
25-06-2014
There's always the danger of a hysterical media witch hunt against him of course. By all means punish him but a one or two year ban from world football would be rather extreme.
RotMojo
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“There's always the danger of a hysterical media witch hunt against him of course. By all means punish him but a one or two year ban from world football would be rather extreme.”

Why? It's only a sport. It's not like he couldn't afford it.

How else is he supposed to learn?
whedon247
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by RotMojo:
“Why? It's only a sport. It's not like he couldn't afford it.

How else is he supposed to learn?”

same way song will learn not to elbow people in the back

2 year ban lmao wtf
RotMojo
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“same way song will learn not to elbow people in the back

2 year ban lmao wtf”

Jail time then?
MargMck
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by RotMojo:
“The consequences are not obvious though. That is perhaps the issue.

2 year ban from football and 12 months of that in jail for ABH. You think that might help him realise?”

No - I think he is simply prone to biting - there is some kind of 'over ride sanity' button. There are probably drugs that could stop him getting the chemical/ adrenalin rush that puts him in this mode, but then he'd also lose being Suarez on the pitch.
It's a no-win situation, but you can't have someone prone to biting on a sports field unless they are muzzled.
girlinstatic
25-06-2014
Anyone know when we'll likely hear what FIFA make of it? Does this sort of thing usually take days/weeks?

I agree with all those who say he absolutely sank his teeth in , I can't quite believe that there are people claiming photoshop on the picture either, you could see the same marks on the video when he pulled his shirt over his shoulder!
Eurostar
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by RotMojo:
“Why? It's only a sport. It's not like he couldn't afford it.

How else is he supposed to learn?”

Well it's not as if we haven't seen very violent incidents on the football pitch before (Zidane's head butt in the 2006 final for example) and we've seen numerous nasty fouls that have left the victim with a broken leg or blood pouring from their head. A two year ban from football would be very much at the extreme end of the scale and almost unprecedented
RotMojo
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Well it's not as if we haven't seen very violent incidents on the football pitch before (Zidane's head butt in the 2006 final for example) and we've seen numerous nasty fouls that have left the victim with a broken leg or blood pouring from their head. A two year ban from football would be very much at the extreme end of the scale and almost unprecedented”

This is the third occasion where purposeful violent conduct (ABH) has been carried out by the same player though.

Unprecedented situations call for unprecedented actions in my view.

He either curbs his tantrums, or he shouldn't be allowed to play the game.
scousemick
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“same way song will learn not to elbow people in the back

2 year ban lmao wtf”

Personally I think a 2 year ban would be extreme but he's had a 7 match and 10 match by two different FA's and he's done it again . You'd imagine that the ban has to be looked at closely as the two previous bans have had no effect .

I'm not advocating it but I think the NRL issues life bans for biting & the RFU used to start at 12 week ban for a first offence rising up to 4 years . It isn't just the media or hand wringers exaggerating this because in some sports he'd be in real trouble now . I've said it earlier but I'll ask again if a Sunday league player did this 3 times to people not think he'd be in real danger of sine die ?
MargMck
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Well it's not as if we haven't seen very violent incidents on the football pitch before (Zidane's head butt in the 2006 final for example) and we've seen numerous nasty fouls that have left the victim with a broken leg or blood pouring from their head. A two year ban from football would be very much at the extreme end of the scale and almost unprecedented”

But here you have an unprecedented problem - without any real provocation he is prone to biting people. That Italian didn't even see it coming.
It's not the same as Zidane losing it over comments about his mother, or say Roy Keane having a rush of blood and deliberately taking someone out he feels is 'owed one'.
scousemick
25-06-2014
This actually gets funnier or worse if you'd prefer the independent have just posted a pic online of last years confed cup and in it Suarez appears to be trying to bite Chiellini !
Eurostar
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by RotMojo:
“This is the third occasion where purposeful violent conduct (ABH) has been carried out by the same player though.

Unprecedented situations call for unprecedented actions in my view.

He either curbs his tantrums, or he shouldn't be allowed to play the game.”

I agree completely that they will have to up the punishment from what went before but a two year ban seems very extreme. As I said above, we've seen violent incidents where the victim was stretchered off the pitch with a broken leg or covered in blood and the perpetrator didn't get a two year ban (and some of these guys were repeat offenders).
Straker
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by scousemick:
“This actually gets funnier or worse if you'd prefer the independent have just posted a pic online of last years confed cup and in it Suarez appears to be trying to bite Chiellini !”

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...p-9561799.html
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