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Suarez bites back?
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Bosox
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“same way song will learn not to elbow people in the back”

Again with the Song comparison. Please show me the two previous incidents of Song elbowing an opponent in the back and I'll agree it's a fair point of discussion.
Eurostar
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“But here you have an unprecedented problem - without any real provocation he is prone to biting people. That Italian didn't even see it coming.
It's not the same as Zidane losing it over comments about his mother, or say Roy Keane having a rush of blood and deliberately taking someone out he feels is 'owed one'.”

Indeed, but they could end setting a dangerous precedent themselves. If they go down this route, they may be forced to start dishing out one year and two year bans all over the place for violent play, otherwise people will say to FIFA "You banned Suarez for two years and yet you're only giving this guy a six match ban for breaking a guy's leg?"
O'Neill
25-06-2014
Hypothetically, if he was banned for around 15 competitive Uruguay games I wonder how long that ban would be? must be a year or two at least. What message does it send out banning him from friendlies that he'd be happy to miss anyway?
RotMojo
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Indeed, but they could end setting a dangerous precedent themselves. If they go down this route, they may be forced to start dishing out one year and two year bans all over the place for violent play, otherwise people will say to FIFA "You banned Suarez for two years and yet you're only giving this guy a six match ban for breaking a guy's leg?"”

There is a difference between disguised violence and obvious violence though, unfortunately. You can suspect someone has gone in with a tackle to break someone's leg but never prove as such (unless you admit it in your autobiography of course) because that tackle is part of the game you are playing.

A deliberate elbow, or bite are not features of the game, and so should be able to be acted upon appropriately.
RotMojo
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by O'Neill:
“Hypothetically, if he was banned for around 15 competitive Uruguay games I wonder how long that ban would be? must be a year or two at least. What message does it send out banning him from friendlies that he'd be happy to miss anyway?”

This is one of the reasons why I believe it should be a total ban. Suarez needs to feel the punishment.
FrankieFixer
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by O'Neill:
“Hypothetically, if he was banned for around 15 competitive Uruguay games I wonder how long that ban would be? must be a year or two at least. What message does it send out banning him from friendlies that he'd be happy to miss anyway?”

24 games is seen as about 2 years so 15 would be about 15 months? He has to be punished severely but I fear FIFA will hand him some pathetic ban.
Mr_X_123
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I agree completely that they will have to up the punishment from what went before but a two year ban seems very extreme. As I said above, we've seen violent incidents where the victim was stretchered off the pitch with a broken leg or covered in blood and the perpetrator didn't get a two year ban (and some of these guys were repeat offenders).”


Can't compare. A bad challenge or a fight or whatever with this.

Biting someone is not within the "scope of football". The odd fight or bad challenge is a generally accepted part of the game, it is why police don't get involved in even very reckless challenges.

But biting someone from behind is absolutely different.
MargMck
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Indeed, but they could end setting a dangerous precedent themselves. If they go down this route, they may be forced to start dishing out one year and two year bans all over the place for violent play, otherwise people will say to FIFA "You banned Suarez for two years and yet you're only giving this guy a six match ban for breaking a guy's leg?"”

The two can't be compared, unless let's say Player X has a penchant for - and therefore history of - attacking people off the ball. The nearest to Suarez's biting addiction would be a player who for no reason suddenly spat in the faces of opponents when they got an adrenalin rush. Unacceptable, but at least no broken skin.
whedon247
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Bosox:
“Again with the Song comparison. Please show me the two previous incidents of Song elbowing an opponent in the back and I'll agree it's a fair point of discussion.”

i have already said i have no issue with suarez getting a long ban based on repeat offences. just not on the fact its repeated bites.
Andy2
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Joey Barton defends Suarez:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/foo...Chiellini-bite

With friends like that......

.....

And twitchy sponsors:

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/off-the-...ip_161773.html”

Barton: "He's a winner. If that means he occasionally steps over the line between right and wrong, than thats what comes with the territory..."

OK, and likewise Suarez should understand that the 'territory' also includes rules and regs which, if broken, can lead to a ban. He can't say 'people should learn to deal with my errant ways' without accepting that actions have consequences. Sadly, he is such an immature prat that he thinks he can get away with his tw*ttery because he's such a talented player. He needs to be shown how wrong he is.
Terry N
25-06-2014
Different angle shows everything. http://imgur.com/Sat82uX.jpg
mimik1uk
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Terry N:
“Different angle shows everything. http://imgur.com/Sat82uX.jpg”

Bosox
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Terry N:
“Different angle shows everything. http://imgur.com/Sat82uX.jpg”

*sigh* I suppose Liverpool fans will claim that is photoshopped too!
jzee
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Straker:
“http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...p-9561799.html”

Looks like he just had to have that shoulder.
Sick Bullet
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Terry N:
“Different angle shows everything. http://imgur.com/Sat82uX.jpg”

That is pretty well done
Eurostar
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mr_X_123:
“Can't compare. A bad challenge or a fight or whatever with this.

Biting someone is not within the "scope of football". The odd fight or bad challenge is a generally accepted part of the game, it is why police don't get involved in even very reckless challenges.

But biting someone from behind is absolutely different.”

Yes, but we often see an elbow to the head leaving a player covered in blood, or a head butt or a punch to the face or deliberately kicking a player in anger......who is to say that biting a player is a much, much worse offence than those? It's certainly weird and bizarre I'll grant you but those other incidents are violent too,
Andy2
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Terry N:
“Different angle shows everything. http://imgur.com/Sat82uX.jpg”

Wow, that's clinched it for me! And to think I had my doubts.....
Joooe
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Yes, but we often see an elbow to the head leaving a player covered in blood, or a head butt or a punch to the face or deliberately kicking a player in anger......who is to say that biting a player is a much, much worse offence than those? It's certainly weird and bizarre I'll grant you but those other incidents are violent too,”

But that weirdness is a factor isn't it? When playing football there's obviously gonna be some physical confrontation and sometimes that will go over the top.

I mean we've all got angry and hit-out (although for most of us, hopefully not at another person ), but biting people seems to show a violent reaction beyond a football incident 'gone too far'.
Pat_Smith
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Terry N:
“Different angle shows everything. http://imgur.com/Sat82uX.jpg”


Yeah, it's always different in the action replay.
Eurostar
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Joooe:
“But that weirdness is a factor isn't it? When playing football there's obviously gonna be some physical confrontation and sometimes that will go over the top.

I mean we've all got angry and hit-out (although for most of us, hopefully not at another person ), but biting people seems to show a violent reaction beyond a football incident 'gone too far'.”

For sure and he should definitely receive hefty punishment for it. The only point I'm making is that Zidane received a three match ban for his infamous head butt in 2006 but people are calling for a two year ban for Suarez......there's a huge disparity there.
Mr_X_123
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“For sure and he should definitely receive hefty punishment for it. The only point I'm making is that Zidane received a three match ban for his infamous head butt in 2006 but people are calling for a two year ban for Suarez......there's a huge disparity there.”

How many times in his career did Zidane headbutt someone? Plus as said a headbutt under provocation is bad but still very different to biting someone from behind, which is far more serious.
Eurostar
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mr_X_123:
“How many times in his career did Zidane headbutt someone? Plus as said a headbutt under provocation is bad but still very different to biting someone from behind, which is far more serious.”

More than once : he received a five match ban for headbutting an opponent in 2000 during a Champions League match between Juventus and Hamburg, and received 13 red cards during his career.
SegaGamer
25-06-2014
I don't agree when people say Suarez needs help psychologically, he does what he does to get players to react, he is trying to get them sent off. I have seen it ever since he joined liverpool. The eye gouging, the stamping on players, the raking down players legs, the biting. He wants them to do something back to him that will get them sent off.

He doesn't need help, he's just not a very nice person.
MargMck
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Terry N:
“Different angle shows everything. http://imgur.com/Sat82uX.jpg”

He would if he could - and still blame the h'armless victim.
thegreytist
25-06-2014
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“For sure and he should definitely receive hefty punishment for it. The only point I'm making is that Zidane received a three match ban for his infamous head butt in 2006 but people are calling for a two year ban for Suarez......there's a huge disparity there.”

It was stupid, but he did "at least" receive some provocation from Materazzi. Whereas this looked like another unprovoked attack. Also everyone knew it was Zidane's last game so it didn't really matter what punishment he was given!
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