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Suarez bites back?
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swaydog
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by Fio Montoya:
“Actually it could have been a lot worse. Fifa had the power to ban him for two years, as I understand it. They really had no choice but to ban him from playing any more in this World Cup, and the four month ban I felt was pretty light, given his past history.

He will be able to play again in October, so he won't have missed that much of the new season. He got off lightly.”

He got a 10 match ban last time and effectively a 23 match ban(plus friendlies and training)this time.So I think it's about right, maybe a tad harsh on Liverpool as he wasn't even playing for them and they get a harsher punishment than Uruguay.
Dragonlady 25
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by mikeyddd:
“Where did you get that nugget from? Toddlers bite all the time and have to be taught not to.”

So how come this adult is still doing it but behaving as though it isn't a problem?
Mythica
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by celesti:
“Football is where he's employed. You can't dictate this if you're applying regular law.



Say you're an author, and you get a criminal record and jail time for repeated attacks. You won't came out and be told 'you can do anything but no paid writing'”

Apply regular law while the governing body of football ban him from the sport. It's pretty easy to understand, not sure why you're having great difficulty with it.
mikeyddd
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by blitzben85:
“It seems Suarez missed that lesson. Hence why it's his third bite in 4 years. Toddlers don't know what or why they are doing it. How old is Louis ?”

That was not the point being made. The point is children naturally bite and have to be taught not to.
RotMojo
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by mikeyddd:
“That was not the point being made. The point is children naturally bite and have to be taught not to.”

So are you suggesting that Luis Suarez is mentally disabled?
RichmondBlue
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by yesman2012:
“So your argument is that the consequence of an action is almost irrelevant compared to whether that action is deemed as ' civilized human' behavior or not.”

No, but any ruling body has to take into consideration the public revulsion towards a particular action. Arguably, spitting does no harm to anyone, but around most of the world it's regarded with disgust.
MargMck
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by swaydog:
“He got a 10 match ban last time and effectively a 23 match ban(plus friendlies and training)this time.So I think it's about right, maybe a tad harsh on Liverpool as he wasn't even playing for them and they get a harsher punishment than Uruguay.”

I guess Liverpool's "punishment" comes from employing The Biter and not having dealt with it since his previous bite. Ivanovic should have been his last ever bite, but it wasn't.
yesman2012
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by RotMojo:
“It's quite clear you are a Suarez fan.

He got off lightly. Simple. He should have been banned for at least 12 months. The guy is a nutter, and a liability, and he should not be anywhere on the football pitch if he cannot control himself.”

Not being part of the mindless witchhunt against suarez makes me a fan of his......riiight


I don't even like him, but looking at this objectively, what damage has he actually caused? some guy having some bite marks on his shoulder that would've faded away within a few minutes. Its disgusting behaviour and should be punished, but its hardly the worse thing in the world.
blitzben85
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“I guess Liverpool's "punishment" comes from employing The Biter and not having dealt with it since his previous bite. Ivanovic should have been his last ever bite, but it wasn't.”

The Ajax incident should have been the first and last but I get what your saying. Liverpool should have sent him for a mental health review imo.
mikeyddd
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by Dragonlady 25:
“So how come this adult is still doing it but behaving as though it isn't a problem? ”

the point is biting is human behaviour, we just learn that it is wrong, but some people still do it for some reason.
blitzben85
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by yesman2012:
“Its disgusting behaviour and should be punished”

He has.
mikeyddd
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by RotMojo:
“So are you suggesting that Luis Suarez is mentally disabled?”

did I say that, if not no I am not.
RotMojo
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by yesman2012:
“Not being part of the mindless witchhunt against suarez makes me a fan of his......riiight


I don't even like him, but looking at this objectively, what damage has he actually caused? some guy having some bite marks on his shoulder that would've faded away within a few minutes. Its disgusting behaviour and should be punished, but its hardly the worse thing in the world.”

It's hardly a mindless witchhunt. The guy is a lunatic, and a cheat. His behaviour leads people to wonder what the sport is all about.

We simply cannot have that in football. 4 Months punishment is a cop out and will be ineffective.

Do you condone drug cheats too? After all, they aren't harming anyone, are they?
RotMojo
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by mikeyddd:
“did I say that, if not no I am not.”

Oh, must just be me then.
blitzben85
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by mikeyddd:
“the point is biting is human behaviour, we just learn that it is wrong, but some people still do it for some reason.”

People with serious mental health problems. I would bite someone as a last resort if I was been attacked and pinned down. Not when I'm playing football.
Mythica
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by yesman2012:
“Not being part of the mindless witchhunt against suarez makes me a fan of his......riiight


I don't even like him, but looking at this objectively, what damage has he actually caused? some guy having some bite marks on his shoulder that would've faded away within a few minutes. Its disgusting behaviour and should be punished, but its hardly the worse thing in the world.”

An attitude that would soon change if you got bit at work, especially from someone who had previous.
yesman2012
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by RotMojo:
“It's hardly a mindless witchhunt. The guy is a lunatic, and a cheat. His behaviour leads people to wonder what the sport is all about.

We simply cannot have that in football. 4 Months punishment is a cop out and will be ineffective.

Do you condone drug cheats too? After all, they aren't harming anyone, are they?”

Where did you get the idea that I condone drug cheats?

I'm just saying, if you look at the damage from suarez's bite, you'll realise its not a great deal, certainly not compared to reckless tacklers, drug cheats, etc. If you have to give suarez a 4 months ban, half of the stoke team should get 2 year bans.
Fio Montoya
26-06-2014
I see him as being totally amoral. He simply thinks that nothing he does is wrong, even when it's clear that everybody else does. I don't think this would have happened at Liverpool because they have been working very hard to make sure it doesn't. The second he's away from any kind of active influence, this is the result. He can do no wrong so far as Uruguay are concerned, ever. It doesn't help him.
RotMojo
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by yesman2012:
“Where did you get the idea that I condone drug cheats?

I'm just saying, if you look at the damage from suarez's bite, you'll realise its not a great deal, certainly not compared to reckless tacklers, drug cheats, etc. If you have to give suarez a 4 months ban, half of the stoke team should get 2 year bans.”

Yes Stoke are rough within the laws of the game. As are many other people.

What Suarez does is outside the laws of the game.

Why don't you see the obvious difference?
mikeyddd
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by RotMojo:
“Oh, must just be me then.”

yes it must be
yellowlabbie
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by mikeyddd:
“Where did you get that nugget from? Toddlers bite all the time and have to be taught not to.”

Toddlers don't bite all the time I only ever knew one toddler to do it and he did it to my son I was mortified.
Gort
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by blitzben85:
“People with serious mental health problems. I would bite someone as a last resort if I was been attacked and pinned down. Not when I'm playing football.”

There are situations where biting might well be acceptable, but football is hardly one of them. Football isn't war, even if some like to promote it as being an extension of it. If Suarez hasn't learnt not to bite to get his way, then he should be forced to spend a few years with his parents, who might be bothered this time to educate him on the matter rather than let him act feral. Failing that, a spell in nursery might be in order...
blitzben85
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by Gort:
“There are situations where biting might well be acceptable, but football is hardly one of them. Football isn't war, even if some like to promote it as being an extension of it. If Suarez hasn't learnt not to bite to get his way, then he should be forced to spend a few years with his parents, who might be bothered this time to educate him on the matter rather than let him act feral. Failing that, a spell in nursery might be in order...”

Don't get me wrong, I know football is not the place. I was trying to get over the point that biting is a late resort in certain situations like getting attacked. NOT on the football field.
RichmondBlue
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by yesman2012:
“Not being part of the mindless witchhunt against suarez makes me a fan of his......riiight


I don't even like him, but looking at this objectively, what damage has he actually caused? some guy having some bite marks on his shoulder that would've faded away within a few minutes. Its disgusting behaviour and should be punished, but its hardly the worse thing in the world.”

I don't think you can dismiss something like biting so lightly. It does transcend most other things we see on a football pitch. It's primitive, inhuman, and just plain weird.
I agree, deliberate foul play that results in a serious injury to an opponent should be punished even more harshly. But with tackles it's usually difficult to prove that it was definitely deliberate. In cases involving head-butts, punches etc, perhaps we should introduce longer bans.
mikeyddd
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by RotMojo:
“Yes Stoke are rough within the laws of the game. As are many other people.

What Suarez does is outside the laws of the game.

Why don't you see the obvious difference?”

I think he was making the point that it is not always within the laws of the game and stoke player(s) have admitted that
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