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Suarez bites back?
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yesman2012
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by Fio Montoya:
“I see him as being totally amoral. He simply thinks that nothing he does is wrong, even when it's clear that everybody else does. I don't think this would have happened at Liverpool because they have been working very hard to make sure it doesn't. The second he's away from any kind of active influence, this is the result. He can do no wrong so far as Uruguay are concerned, ever. It doesn't help him.”

Its probably because they practically worship him in his home country and in liverpool as well. He's such a important figure, it wouldn't surprise me if nobody in his team have had a go at him for this, even in private.
mikeyddd
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Toddlers don't bite all the time I only ever knew one toddler to do it and he did it to my son I was mortified.”

all the time, as in it's not unusual
Gort
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by blitzben85:
“Don't get me wrong, I know football is not the place. I was trying to get over the point that biting is a late resort in certain situations like getting attacked. NOT on the football field.”

No, I totally understand you and agree. Sorry if I didn't make that clear myself.
blitzben85
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by yesman2012:
“it wouldn't surprise me if nobody in his team have had a go at him for this, even in private.”

Agreed, although it wouldn't surprise me if inside, players are thinking to themselves, bloody hell, not again !!
yesman2012
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by RotMojo:
“Yes Stoke are rough within the laws of the game. As are many other people.

What Suarez does is outside the laws of the game.

Why don't you see the obvious difference?”

I don't think leg breaking and karate kicking are within the law of the game. Neither is suarez's bite of course, but this isn't anywhere near as bad as the first two.
Fio Montoya
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by yesman2012:
“Its probably because they practically worship him in his home country and in liverpool as well. He's such a important figure, it wouldn't surprise me if nobody in his team have had a go at him for this, even in private.”

This is the issue. He is an extremely talented football player, but a very complex human being, who needs a lot of support in order to play the game like everyone else. And when he doesn't get it, he is unable to control his behaviour the way most others are.
radcliffe95
26-06-2014
I'm gonna appear controversial here but I think a deliberate kick or elbow to the face is equally abhorrent in the scheme of fouls. It's not as if Suarez has actually ripped flesh off here, he's just clamped down with his teeth. Which type of foul leaves lasting damage??
RotMojo
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by mikeyddd:
“I think he was making the point that it is not always within the laws of the game and stoke player(s) have admitted that”

Violent play that can be categorically identified as deliberate should be punished, but there is a clear difference between a heavy tackle and a bite.

Other forms of violent play such as any kind of physical assault not relating to tackling in the game should be punished too.
celesti
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“Apply regular law while the governing body of football ban him from the sport. It's pretty easy to understand, not sure why you're having great difficulty with it.”

Because it's outraged bollocks.
blitzben85
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by radcliffe95:
“I'm gonna appear controversial here but I think a deliberate kick or elbow to the face is equally abhorrent in the scheme of fouls. It's not as if Suarez has actually ripped flesh off here, he's just clamped down with his teeth. Which type of foul leaves lasting damage??”

Ben Thatcher got 8 games for his elbow, Suarez 4 months and 9 games for his 3rd Bite, seems about right.
RotMojo
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by yesman2012:
“I don't think leg breaking and karate kicking are within the law of the game. Neither is suarez's bite of course, but this isn't anywhere near as bad as the first two.”

But you cannot clearly identify in the huge majority of cases, that a "karate kick" (even De Jong) hasn't been a poorly timed tackle rather than deliberate violence. The same with leg breaks.

They can result in someone being overly physical within the mechanics of the game.

I am not saying it is right, but it certainly is not in the same bracket as a bite, punch, headbutt, etc. Those, while potentially being less threatening to someone, are not within the scope of the game in any way, shape or form.

There is a difference.
degsyhufc
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by yesman2012:
“I don't think leg breaking and karate kicking are within the law of the game. Neither is suarez's bite of course, but this isn't anywhere near as bad as the first two.”

The karate kick was punished heavily.
The leg break wasn't deliberate - was it?
codeblue
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by Fio Montoya:
“This is the issue. He is an extremely talented football player, but a very complex human being, who needs a lot of support in order to play the game like everyone else. And when he doesn't get it, he is unable to control his behaviour the way most others are.”

The thing is, Suarez is perfectly capable of controlling his behaviour.

This was not a "red mist", the player did not lose the plot, lose control of his sensibilities set out to savagely bite an opponent. Far from it.

It is clear that this was a calculated, pre-meditated attempt to get a reaction from a defender that would win suarez' team a penalty and perhaps a sending off. he wanted to win the game by cheating.

The problem is that he chose what he thought was a sly, undetectable method of causing a violent reaction. A bite.

Suarez himself, seems to be far too stupid to realise that the game was one of the most watched occasions ever, with hundreds of not thousands of lenses pointed at him. He could not pick his nose never mind bite someone without a camera catching it.

But still he bit an opponent (that the ref did miss, so it worked), caused a reaction, and went down rolling on the floor with his head in his hands.

It is interesting to think what would have happened if a penalty and red card had been awarded, as was his want.
celesti
26-06-2014
With a vicious foul you can generally make a case of going for the ball/eyes off the player/'he's not that kind of lad' which puts it in a different category from biting - all you can do is tell the world it didn't happen and that the world's largest photo agencies all contrived to 'shop in teeth marks and the British media hates you.
Mythica
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by celesti:
“Because it's outraged bollocks.”

In your opinion of course. In my opinion he should be banned from football. Biting someone doesn't belong in football. Not once and especially not three times. If you feel that's outraged bollocks then I really feel sorry for you.
Fio Montoya
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“The thing is, Suarez is perfectly capable of controlling his behaviour.

This was not a "red mist", the player did not lose the plot, lose control of his sensibilities set out to savagely bite an opponent. Far from it.

It is clear that this was a calculated, pre-meditated attempt to get a reaction from a defender that would win suarez' team a penalty and perhaps a sending off. he wanted to win the game by cheating.”

I agree that it wasn't a red mist event. But he was still unable to control himself. Without support he makes these kinds of decisions on the pitch, which you just don't see from other players.
mimik1uk
26-06-2014
thing is here as soon as a player walks onto a football pitch he accepts the possibility that he/she could get injured by a tackle , football is afterall a contact sport

at no point do they walk onto a football pitch with any expectation that they might be bitten by some lunatic

for all those going on about the severity of the injury , well afaik at no point does the severity of an injury actually determine what disciplinary action should be taken. we have all seen perfectly innocuous challenges lead to serious injuries , we have all seen horrific tackles cause no damage whatsoever. it is the act itself that determines what should be done about it. no-one can look at a bad tackle and say categorically that the tackler intended to cause injury , I would say it is impossible to look at what suarez did and say he didn't know exactly what he was doing.
RotMojo
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by Fio Montoya:
“I agree that it wasn't a red mist event. But he was still unable to control himself. Without support he makes these kinds of decisions on the pitch, which you just don't see from other players.”

So he shouldn't be playing football then.
Fio Montoya
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by RotMojo:
“So he shouldn't be playing football then.”

He needs careful management if he is to continue. And the good thing about football of course, is that he won't be able to play for too much longer anyway. I think this is it now for him. He has to be aware that if he tries anything like this again, his career will be over.
StrmChaserSteve
26-06-2014
England could still be in the World Cup, if he had bitten someone before the England match

Imagine if his ban, had also wiped out any goals he scored in this World Cup
C Horse
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by Fio Montoya:
“He needs careful management if he is to continue. And the good thing about football of course, is that he won't be able to play for too much longer anyway. I think this is it now for him. He has to be aware that if he tries anything like this again, his career will be over.”

AGAIN??!!!

How many bites does it take?

His career should be over now ... full stop.

Show me the evidence that someone else in first class football has bitten someone .. once
Fio Montoya
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by C Horse:
“AGAIN??!!!

How many bites does it take?

His career should be over now ... full stop.

Show me the evidence that someone else in first class football has bitten someone .. once”

I agree! But this is the punishment he has, and I think he got off lightly. And honestly, I do think he's better when he's at Liverpool, I think they do support him. It's telling that I knew nothing at all about the previous incidents until this one happened. It wasn't mentioned at all by the media prior to that. So I think Liverpool are capable of dealing with him.
degsyhufc
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by C Horse:
“AGAIN??!!!

How many bites does it take?

His career should be over now ... full stop.

Show me the evidence that someone else in first class football has bitten someone .. once”

Jermain Defoe bit Mascherano
https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...yxk&gws_rd=ssl
nevada
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by Fio Montoya:
“I agree! But this is the punishment he has, and I think he got off lightly. And honestly, I do think he's better when he's at Liverpool, I think they do support him. It's telling that I knew nothing at all about the previous incidents until this one happened. It wasn't mentioned at all by the media prior to that. So I think Liverpool are capable of dealing with him.”

You obviously don't follow football!
Suarez's previous demeanors were very well publicised.
celesti
26-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“If you feel that's outraged bollocks then I really feel sorry for you.”

Why would you feel sorry for me? I'm clearly not the one easily upset.
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