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Old 25-06-2014, 21:10
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Obviously teams which are thousands of miles away shouldn't be allowed to join other continents, but there may be a case for some nearby countries joining other continents in exceptional circumstances.
I don't think there should be really otherwise it opens up the door to all sorts of possible changes. A simple rule would be that a country plays in the qualifying section that they geographically belong to. Forget overseas dependencies and just count the actual motherland. If the majority of a country lies in one continent then that's the continent they play in. Then you have a rule which everyone can follow.

The way things are right now the likes of the Basque country should be asking why they aren't in WC qualifiers when other non-countries are. (Maybe they will be in the future)

And the likes of Venezuela should be asking why they can't join CONCACAF for easier qualifying when Guyana etc are able to.

France should be asking to join CONCACAF or Oceania since they have overseas dependencies there so a small % of their owned land lies in those continents (just as a tiny % of Kazakhstan is in Europe).

And according to what I just read none of Armenia is in Europe yet they also play in that qualifying.

See, if you bend the rules for some you have to bend the rules for all to be seen to be fair to all and then you don't really have any rules to speak of. Although what else is to be expected of FIFA. If I had enough money I could probably persuade them that Belgium is situated just south of Tasmania!
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Old 25-06-2014, 21:12
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FIFA can veto anything CONCACAF decide as the governing body for the game.

I think the Asia and Oceania sections will merge in the near future.
Might make sense in football terms but geographically imagine the distances to be travelled some fixtures could throw up and therefore the financial impact on the small fa's in Oceania. Imagine Tonga having to travel to Iran!
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Old 25-06-2014, 22:24
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I hope they keep things the way they are.
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Old 25-06-2014, 22:54
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Seeing as its now such a worldwide game and outside of the European countries with the big leagues most nations have players who have to travel thousands of miles to meet up with their national teams then perhaps they should just scrap the geographic qualification process. Just have qualification as a free for all with no seedings or anything. If England get a group with Brazil, Argentina, Holland, France, Spain and Italy then do be it
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Old 25-06-2014, 22:57
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Seeing as its now such a worldwide game and outside of the European countries with the big leagues most nations have players who have to travel thousands of miles to meet up with their national teams then perhaps they should just scrap the geographic qualification process. Just have qualification as a free for all with no seedings or anything. If England get a group with Brazil, Argentina, Holland, France, Spain and Italy then do be it
That group would overshadow the tournament itself. We'd also end up with a world cup group consisting of Latvia, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and Cuba.
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Old 25-06-2014, 23:26
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The drop in European teams going through can be put down purely to the tournament being in South America. If this World Cup had been in Europe it'd be a different story.
Indeed the Latin Americans have effectively been playing at home and have had huge support in the arenas.
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Old 26-06-2014, 00:34
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I think the reason Australia play in the Asia qualifying groups is because they kept comprehensively thumping the other teams in their continent so much so they may as well have been given a bye to qualify. By putting them in Asia it made things for them and the other teams is Oceania a little more competitive.
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Old 26-06-2014, 02:57
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That group would overshadow the tournament itself. We'd also end up with a world cup group consisting of Latvia, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and Cuba.
Sure we may end up with some weak groups but all this seedings of groups is so artificial. A country of Irans level for example is never going to qualify from Europe due to depth and stacking of the groups so atleast this way it would throw up the possibility of lesser nations getting through due to a weaker group and add some real risk to the big names. At the moment FIFA may as well just invite the European and South American nations they want to attend as the chance of them not making it is very small
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Old 26-06-2014, 08:29
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Grouping the qualifications by region is a financial issue as well as by confederation. Sending a Caribbean nation of part-time footballers across the world to lose every month isn't really something that would get a green light.
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Old 26-06-2014, 18:38
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Sure we may end up with some weak groups but all this seedings of groups is so artificial. A country of Irans level for example is never going to qualify from Europe due to depth and stacking of the groups so atleast this way it would throw up the possibility of lesser nations getting through due to a weaker group and add some real risk to the big names. At the moment FIFA may as well just invite the European and South American nations they want to attend as the chance of them not making it is very small
Why should FIFA make it easier for the smaller teams to qualify? Like it or not, people want to see the best players and teams in the world at the World Cup.

Artificially increasing the amount of weaker nations qualifying would devalue the standard of the competition.
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Old 26-06-2014, 21:21
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So, after, Suarez and co go through, it is looking like the only European teams getting out of the group stage will be Holland, France, Germany and Belgium, with maybe the Swiss, and highly unlikely, the Greeks.

That's as huge drop on normal, and may well lead to changes in future qualifying positions for future World Cups.
One game can change everything. It's not over but as it stands the teams in the last 16:
7 Europe
5 South America
3 CONCACAF
1 Africa
0 Asia
0 Oceania

I think it's the 'home' conditions effect, affecting South America and CONCACAF.
As well as great play of course!

However if anyone should be losing places, just look at Africa and Asia!
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Old 27-06-2014, 09:43
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One game can change everything. It's not over but as it stands the teams in the last 16:
7 Europe
5 South America
3 CONCACAF
1 Africa
0 Asia
0 Oceania

I think it's the 'home' conditions effect, affecting South America and CONCACAF.
As well as great play of course!

However if anyone should be losing places, just look at Africa and Asia!
That changed when Algeria equalised.

Europe 6 out of 13 qualifiers
South America 5 out of 6 qualifiers + host
CONCACAF 3 out 4 qualifiers
Africa 2 out of 5 qualifiers
Asia 0 out of 4 qualifiers
Oceania no qualifiers

Statistically teams from the Americas have done best, but we can put a large part of that down to the tournament being played in South America. Europe have been third best. If any continent should lose qualifiers it is Asia.
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Old 27-06-2014, 10:23
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Asia not just 0 out of 4 qualifying, all 4 finished bottom of their group and none of them won a single game.

Even in a South American WC European teams still won half the 8 groups, with 3 South Americans and a Central American team. No African group winner.
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Old 27-06-2014, 10:53
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Do it like the rugby the top ranked FIFA teams are automatically seeded. Then the rest are put in a hat and draw out the qualifying groups. If a country feels that they can't justify traveling to the matches they can drop out. Would stop all this silly nonsense of having countries qualifying from easy regions.

Or the top 32 teams just play in the WC and drop qualifying all together.
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Old 27-06-2014, 11:14
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The FIFA rankings are flawed enough without also using them to exclude most of the world.
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