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Siobhan Redmond cast as The Rani
There's going to be a new Rani around town, thanks to the wonderful Big Finish. What is most interesting is that this new incarnation is going to meet the sixth Doctor and Peri . . prior to the original Rani meeting the 7th Doctor and Mel!
The Rani, the Time Lord villain created by Pip and Jane Baker in the 1980s, is to make her first appearance on audio in Doctor Who: The Rani Elite, out in December. She will be reunited with the Sixth Doctor and Peri, in a story set written by Justin Richards and set in a galactic university. The character has had three appearances on television in Mark of the Rani (1985), Time and the Rani (1987) and Dimensions in Time (1993), each time played by the late Kate O’Mara. The Rani’s return was very much prompted by Kate,” says producer David Richardson. “Her agent contacted me and said that she would love to reprise the role with us, and when I mentioned this to executive producer Nicholas Briggs and script editor Alan Barnes they leapt at the opportunity. “Justin wrote The Rani Elite for us, and we were just a few weeks away from recording when the terrible news reached us that Kate had passed away. At first, we were not sure what to do – until Kate’s agent again got in touch again, and said that it had been Kate’s wish that we proceed with a new incarnation of the Rani.” In her latest body the Rani is played by Siobhan Redmond, whose many leading television credits include Between the Lines, The High Life, The Smoking Room, Taggart and Holby City. “We’d worked with Siobhan a few months ago as a different character in Revenge of the Swarm,” continues David, “and we fell in love with her. She’s a smart, delightful person and also an amazing actress – she’s the perfect choice for this new, slightly different version of the Rani.” |
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This is wrong because she has already met the Sixth Doctor and Peri, then met the Doctor's next persona played by Sylvester McCoy. How can she meet The Sixth Doctor and Peri again, but this time played by someone else?
![]() It would, as the Doctor has said before, create a hole in the fabric of time. It would be a paradox. Therefore, the whole universe would be torn apart. The Doctor wouldn't be able to do a re-booting, like what Matt Smith's incarnation did in 2011. But...it being Big Finish, I don't see those slotting anywhere between the Doctor's TV stories. I only see the Eighth Doctor audios as canon, as we haven't had any TV stories featuring Paul McGann, other than the 1996 movie. The Eighth Doctor audios would slot nicely between the TV Movie and Chris's Doctor in 2005. |
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This is wrong because she has already met the Sixth Doctor and Peri, then met the Doctor's next persona played by Sylvester McCoy. How can she meet The Sixth Doctor and Peri again, but this time played by someone else?
![]() It would, as the Doctor has said before, create a hole in the fabric of time. It would be a paradox. Therefore, the whole universe would be torn apart. The Doctor wouldn't be able to do a re-booting, like what Matt Smith's incarnation did in 2011. But...it being Big Finish, I don't see those slotting anywhere between the Doctor's TV stories. I only see the Eighth Doctor audios as canon, as we haven't had any TV stories featuring Paul McGann, other than the 1996 movie. The Eighth Doctor audios would slot nicely between the TV Movie and Chris's Doctor in 2005.
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What's the problem? Time travellers can meet each other out of sequence.
![]() ![]() It was explained in The Parting of the Ways, that this cannot happen. This is an excerpt from that story: ROSE: No, I was just thinking. I mean, obviously you can't, but, you've got a time machine. Why can't you just go back to last week and warn them? DOCTOR: As soon as the Tardis lands in that second, I become part of events, stuck in the timeline. So if the Doctor goes back to any day that he's been to before, to the same places, it would create a paradox because as Chris's Doctor said above, once he lands, he becomes part of events. |
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How do you work that one out?
![]() It was explained in The Parting of the Ways, that this cannot happen. This is an excerpt from that story: ROSE: No, I was just thinking. I mean, obviously you can't, but, you've got a time machine. Why can't you just go back to last week and warn them? DOCTOR: As soon as the Tardis lands in that second, I become part of events, stuck in the timeline. So if the Doctor goes back to any day that he's been to before, to the same places, it would create a paradox because as Chris's Doctor said above, once he lands, he becomes part of events. |
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So how do you explain the Doctor and River Song meeting each other out of sequence? Or the entire season when the Doctor was put on trial by the Valeyard?
So, in reality, the ones from the future, hadn't happened yet. We saw what was going to happen, but because of the reseloution of the Trial, they didn't happen. The Valeyard did say at one point, after Peri 'died', that the other sequences featuring Mel, were from the future. Even the Doctor himself said something simillar. |
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In the Trial of a Time Lord, most of the sequences we saw, were from the future. Only the ones from the first episode up to Peri 'dying', were in the past and had happened.
So, in reality, the ones from the future, hadn't happened yet. We saw what was going to happen, but because of the reseloution of the Trial, they didn't happen. The Valeyard did say at one point, after Peri 'died', that the other sequences featuring Mel, were from the future. Even the Doctor himself said something simillar. |
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She's obviously playing the Master.
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Wonder if we could get her cast as a villain in the TV show and have duelling scottish accents with Peter Capaldi.
She'd make a great Master, if they are never going to bring the Rani back. |
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why would it cause a paradox?
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It wouldn't cause a paradox future events would just rewrite themselves to fit in with the new set of events. Time can be rewritten
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To be honest The trial of a timelord makes no sense what so ever. Its just a bit of nonsense
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I don't mind the Doctor meeting the Rani out of sequence. As mentioned, there is precedence for that (River; The Master knowing The Valeyard; Romana meeting various Doctor's in other Big Finish productions).
The only issue, for me, is that in Time and the Rani the 7th Doctor didn't mention anything about the Rani he was meeting being the wrong Rani. But then, I guess he had just regenerated and so maybe it didn't occur to him until later on. Or maybe it is just normal for Time Lords and not worth commenting on. |
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In the Five Doctors the first three Doctors all battle a Master who is not their correct Master in their point in the timeline. In the Light at the End, the Doctors battle the Geoffrey Beevers Master, even though that is not the correct order. Seven and Eight both battle the Alex MacQueen Master too before chronically battling a different Master even a different one causing one of them to regenerate. And in the Eighth Doctor book the Legacy of the Daleks the Master is the Roger Delgado Master. And more recently the Eleventh Doctor and other incarnations of the Doctor battled the Anthony Ainley Master in the Prisoners of Time comic. The Incarnations of all the Time Lords in the Time War were in the timeline of the War Doctor, but his future and past incarnations all showed up too.
Although there is evidence of the other way, like Ten saying he was not allowed to go back to get the Master in the End of Time because they have to keep them selves at the same level in the Causal Nexus. Or whatever it was. As well as the Rani and the Doctor sharing the same age in one story. Any who, it's great to hear there's going to be a new Rani Can't wait to see the story!
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Siobhan Redmond is one of my favourites (The Smoking Room one of the best British sitcoms of this century!), and she'll be perfect as the Rani. A shame she isn't going to be on TV, as it might give me some enthusiasm for the next series. I might buy these on CD, actually.
I wish they'd brought Kate O'Mara back in the Big Finish CDs, and it's nice to see that things were heading in that direction before her sad death. The Rani is a favourite of mine. "Leave the girl, it's the man I want!"
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Great casting.
Hope the story's good. |
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How do you work that one out?
![]() It was explained in The Parting of the Ways, that this cannot happen. This is an excerpt from that story: ROSE: No, I was just thinking. I mean, obviously you can't, but, you've got a time machine. Why can't you just go back to last week and warn them? DOCTOR: As soon as the Tardis lands in that second, I become part of events, stuck in the timeline. So if the Doctor goes back to any day that he's been to before, to the same places, it would create a paradox because as Chris's Doctor said above, once he lands, he becomes part of events. If there was some causal reason why the Sixth Doctor couldn't have encountered the Rani between 'Mark' and 'Time' - like, a reference in 'Time' to say that this is only the second time he's ever met her, or the Rani actually having killed Peri on their first meeting or something, then that would be a contradiction. But there's nothing to stop the Sixth Doctor visiting the Rani again, as long as it doesn't change the circumstances of their meeting as the Seventh. The Doctor can't change events he's already experienced, that's all. Supposedly. Or to put it another way, once he starts creating those experiences (by landing the Tardis and looking around, for example), he can't change them later without causing major problems. For example, if he lands and investigates a planet, and later on his companion gets killed, he can't go and stop his earlier self from landing on that planet - because if he never lands on that planet, he won't witness that death. So then he wouldn't have gone back in time to avert it. And so it wouldn't have been averted, and he would have landed on the planet. And his companion would die. And he'd go back in time to change it. And the companion would live. And so he wouldn't go back. And the companion would die. That's the paradox. |
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How do you work that one out?
![]() It was explained in The Parting of the Ways, that this cannot happen. This is an excerpt from that story: ROSE: No, I was just thinking. I mean, obviously you can't, but, you've got a time machine. Why can't you just go back to last week and warn them? DOCTOR: As soon as the Tardis lands in that second, I become part of events, stuck in the timeline. So if the Doctor goes back to any day that he's been to before, to the same places, it would create a paradox because as Chris's Doctor said above, once he lands, he becomes part of events. ![]() However, that has nothing to do with whether he can go back to an earlier time and meet people out of order. It just means he can't do anything in that earlier time that would alter the events that he has lived through. Time Lords should be used to the possibility of meeting people out of order, even though it rarely happened in the show. So, as long as any new adventure with the Rani doesn't contradict what happened with the 7th Doctor there's no reason why it would be paradoxical. Big Finish already did this with Charlie Pollard as she became a companion of the sixth Doctor after she was a companion of the 8th Doctor even though the 8th Doctor didn't give any indication that he had known her previously! I can't remember how they explained it, now. It may be he lost his memory or it may be that the 8th Doctor pretended not to have known her in order to not give her any information about her future with his earlier self. Still, there's plenty of precedent, River Song being a case in point. |
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In the Trial of a Time Lord, most of the sequences we saw, were from the future. Only the ones from the first episode up to Peri 'dying', were in the past and had happened.
So, in reality, the ones from the future, hadn't happened yet. We saw what was going to happen, but because of the reseloution of the Trial, they didn't happen. The Valeyard did say at one point, after Peri 'died', that the other sequences featuring Mel, were from the future. Even the Doctor himself said something simillar. With so many examples of out of sequence meetings throughout the show's history, including virtually every River Song story, why do you cling to the belief that out of sequence meetings can't happen? |
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I was thinking more of the Valeyard being an offshoot from a future regeneration. The Master knew who/what he was, so that's another example of an out of sequence meeting. Plus there's that whole business with the Doctor meeting Mel for the first time after she has known a future him for a while.
He certainly was never an actual future self. |
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So if the Doctor goes back to any day that he's been to before, to the same places, it would create a paradox because as Chris's Doctor said above, once he lands, he becomes part of events.
In the Tenth Doctor's regeneration montage, he goes back to visit Rose, from a point earlier than his Ninth self had met her. If he had told her who he was, or told her why she was going to have a great year, it would undoubtedly have caused some sort of paradox as it would have changed the course of her future. As it is, there's no contradiction. From Rose's point of view, she probably always had that event in her life - a stranger said something odd to her at New Year, then later she met someone called the Doctor, who later turned into someone with a familiar face... |
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I'm not sure I'd really count the Valyard as being out of sequence. He was just a construct, created by the Time Lords as "an amalgamation of the darker sides of the Doctor's nature, from somewhere between his twelfth and final incarnation". He never actually existed and was helping the Time Lords on the promise that they would somehow make him real. Since he failed to convict the Doctor he never became real. He certainly was never an actual future self.
So for all intents and purposes, the Valeyard was a future version of the Doctor and had been interacting with the Master and those members of the High Council who were trying to corrupt the trial and ensure the Doctor's guilt. |
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There's no evidence to support that. In fact, the Master clearly states that he's an on-going relationship/rivalry with Valeyard from outside the trial.
So for all intents and purposes, the Valeyard was a future version of the Doctor and had been interacting with the Master and those members of the High Council who were trying to corrupt the trial and ensure the Doctor's guilt. In any case, I was just quoting from the Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeyard Pretty much every quote I can find on the web says he's taken from between the Doctor's 12th and 13th incarnation. If he's taken from between incarnations, then he isn't an actual incarnation, surely? |
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I'm not sure I'd really count the Valyard as being out of sequence. He was just a construct, created by the Time Lords as "an amalgamation of the darker sides of the Doctor's nature, from somewhere between his twelfth and final incarnation". He never actually existed and was helping the Time Lords on the promise that they would somehow make him real. Since he failed to convict the Doctor he never became real.
He certainly was never an actual future self. "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you. The Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation. And I may say, you do not improve with age." Of course, looking at the revised list of regenerations, the Valeyard would be created somewhere between Tennant (after Journey's End) and Smith. Which raises questions about the genocidal offshoot Doctor who's living in the parallel universe with Rose. Plus the Great Intelligence stated that the Doctor would be known by the name Valeyard in the future. |
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It's been decades since I watched Trial but my memory of the Valyard was that he was some kind of reflection of the Doctor's dark side, not an actual Doctor at all. In any case, I was just quoting from the Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeyard Pretty much every quote I can find on the web says he's taken from between the Doctor's 12th and 13th incarnation. If he's taken from between incarnations, then he isn't an actual incarnation, surely? He goes on to say: "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor – even you. The Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say you do not improve with age." I believe in the novelisation, the Master says quite explicitly that the Valeyard is the Doctor's final incarnation. Later on, he says: MASTER: The explanation's quite simple. I want the Valeyard eliminated, and you're the most likely candidate to achieve that. GLITZ: Hang on. You told me this fleshy fair-haired personage was the one you wanted to croak. MASTER: With the Doctor as my enemy, I always have the advantage. DOCTOR: Ho! MASTER: But the Valeyard, the distillation of all that's evil in you, untainted by virtue, a composite of your every dark thought, is a different proposition. Additionally, he's infuriated me by threatening to deny me the pleasure of personally bringing about your destruction. And so he must pay the price. And you, Glitz, shall help me to collect. I have always felt the Valeyard was a future Doctor. Whether or not he would count as an incarnation is another matter entirely. But certainly everything indicates that he existed prior to the trial, and interacted with the Master and other time lords. |
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