Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“Its a soap all soap are the same.”
“Its a soap all soap are the same.”
How very dare you!!? 
Emmerdaily 26/6/14 - A Birthday Surprise
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Originally Posted by Mackenize:
“Chas and James have no spark at all.”
“Chas and James have no spark at all.”
There would be if you rubbed them together like sticks since they are so wooden.
Originally Posted by Hound of Love:
“Couldn't agree more!”
“Couldn't agree more!”
You can't put any worth on JR's anti-Cain ramblings! He's still bitter about Cain bagging AWP!
Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“ How very dare you!!? ”
“
How very dare you!!? ”
Thrue though.
Since only 2 days have passed in the land of Emmerdale there will be no Malt Bulletin this week.
And Analysis Boss is on holiday and taken his keys with him so Kwynne cannot get into Analysis central so no Analysis until next week.
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“There would be if you rubbed them together like sticks since they are so wooden.”
“There would be if you rubbed them together like sticks since they are so wooden.”
I lol'd
Originally Posted by Jewels501:
“I hear what you're both saying but for Cain it's not about her cheating on John with his brother, it's about the trust in their relationship. He was always suspicious about James' motives regarding Moira but she constantly denied that there was anything to it. Then at the hotel when she finally told him that James had come on to her, he specifically and directly asked her whether there was anything else he needed to know. She looked him in the eye and lied.
We all know how hard it is for Cain to trust anyone so for him to find out the woman he loves and has made changes for, has betrayed him. I knew he'd go bats**t crazy when he found out. I just hope NuCain will accept she made a mistake and not try to get his revenge as he usually does by sleeping with someone barely legal.
”
“I hear what you're both saying but for Cain it's not about her cheating on John with his brother, it's about the trust in their relationship. He was always suspicious about James' motives regarding Moira but she constantly denied that there was anything to it. Then at the hotel when she finally told him that James had come on to her, he specifically and directly asked her whether there was anything else he needed to know. She looked him in the eye and lied.
We all know how hard it is for Cain to trust anyone so for him to find out the woman he loves and has made changes for, has betrayed him. I knew he'd go bats**t crazy when he found out. I just hope NuCain will accept she made a mistake and not try to get his revenge as he usually does by sleeping with someone barely legal.
”
I hear what you're saying Jewels and I do understand that this is the "reaction" I'm supposed to be buying into as a viewer - but isn't Cain just living in a fantasy world with that line of thought?
It's like Moira's got to be perfect to justify his feelings for her - and yet the laughable irony to that is that he has no grounds for it - she WAS still married to John when she started having the affair with him - behaving like Moira isn't the woman he thought she was is nothing but sheer hypocrisy from a small deluded insecure little man!
Forcing Moira to tell Adam that James was his father in the way that he did, proved him to be the arrogant, judgemental, self-important tool of a man that he is.
He cries on about honesty - does Moira know he slept with Jasmine to "prove" that she wasn't a lesbian to Debbie.
Does Moira know he slept with 16 year old Olly Reynolds to spite her mother Angie (whom he claimed to love)
The man is deluded with his own insecurities and strikes out like a petty child bully (usually in the most hurtful way possible).
I
I was thinking cain had an idealistic view of his marriage to moira, that it fixed him somehow after all the bad things he has done in the past, now Moira has ruined all that with her lies and stuff so all the hopes he had of bettering himself are gone.
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“I hear what you're saying Jewels and I do understand that this is the "reaction" I'm supposed to be buying into as a viewer - but isn't Cain just living in a fantasy world with that line of thought?
It's like Moira's got to be perfect to justify his feelings for her - and yet the laughable irony to that is that he has no grounds for it - she WAS still married to John when she started having the affair with him - behaving like Moira isn't the woman he thought she was is nothing but sheer hypocrisy from a small deluded insecure little man!
Forcing Moira to tell Adam that James was his father in the way that he did, proved him to be the arrogant, judgemental, self-important tool of a man that he is.
He cries on about honesty - does Moira know he slept with Jasmine to "prove" that she wasn't a lesbian to Debbie.
Does Moira know he slept with 16 year old Olly Reynolds to spite her mother Angie (whom he claimed to love)
The man is deluded with his own insecurities and strikes out like a petty child bully (usually in the most hurtful way possible).”
“I hear what you're saying Jewels and I do understand that this is the "reaction" I'm supposed to be buying into as a viewer - but isn't Cain just living in a fantasy world with that line of thought?
It's like Moira's got to be perfect to justify his feelings for her - and yet the laughable irony to that is that he has no grounds for it - she WAS still married to John when she started having the affair with him - behaving like Moira isn't the woman he thought she was is nothing but sheer hypocrisy from a small deluded insecure little man!
Forcing Moira to tell Adam that James was his father in the way that he did, proved him to be the arrogant, judgemental, self-important tool of a man that he is.
He cries on about honesty - does Moira know he slept with Jasmine to "prove" that she wasn't a lesbian to Debbie.
Does Moira know he slept with 16 year old Olly Reynolds to spite her mother Angie (whom he claimed to love)
The man is deluded with his own insecurities and strikes out like a petty child bully (usually in the most hurtful way possible).”
I was thinking cain had an idealistic view of his marriage to moira, that it fixed him somehow after all the bad things he has done in the past, now Moira has ruined all that with her lies and stuff so all the hopes he had of bettering himself are gone.
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“
He cries on about honesty - does Moira know he slept with Jasmine to "prove" that she wasn't a lesbian to Debbie.
Does Moira know he slept with 16 year old Olly Reynolds to spite her mother Angie (whom he claimed to love)
The man is deluded with his own insecurities and strikes out like a petty child bully (usually in the most hurtful way possible).”
“
He cries on about honesty - does Moira know he slept with Jasmine to "prove" that she wasn't a lesbian to Debbie.
Does Moira know he slept with 16 year old Olly Reynolds to spite her mother Angie (whom he claimed to love)
The man is deluded with his own insecurities and strikes out like a petty child bully (usually in the most hurtful way possible).”
But Cain is changing. He's aware of his past, and hates that part of himself. He's put so much trust in Moira, even the smallest betrayal makes him fear he could lose it all.
I'm enjoying it. Its actual character development.
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“I hear what you're saying Jewels and I do understand that this is the "reaction" I'm supposed to be buying into as a viewer - but isn't Cain just living in a fantasy world with that line of thought?
It's like Moira's got to be perfect to justify his feelings for her - and yet the laughable irony to that is that he has no grounds for it - she WAS still married to John when she started having the affair with him - behaving like Moira isn't the woman he thought she was is nothing but sheer hypocrisy from a small deluded insecure little man!
Forcing Moira to tell Adam that James was his father in the way that he did, proved him to be the arrogant, judgemental, self-important tool of a man that he is.
He cries on about honesty - does Moira know he slept with Jasmine to "prove" that she wasn't a lesbian to Debbie.
Does Moira know he slept with 16 year old Olly Reynolds to spite her mother Angie (whom he claimed to love)
The man is deluded with his own insecurities and strikes out like a petty child bully (usually in the most hurtful way possible).”
“I hear what you're saying Jewels and I do understand that this is the "reaction" I'm supposed to be buying into as a viewer - but isn't Cain just living in a fantasy world with that line of thought?
It's like Moira's got to be perfect to justify his feelings for her - and yet the laughable irony to that is that he has no grounds for it - she WAS still married to John when she started having the affair with him - behaving like Moira isn't the woman he thought she was is nothing but sheer hypocrisy from a small deluded insecure little man!
Forcing Moira to tell Adam that James was his father in the way that he did, proved him to be the arrogant, judgemental, self-important tool of a man that he is.
He cries on about honesty - does Moira know he slept with Jasmine to "prove" that she wasn't a lesbian to Debbie.
Does Moira know he slept with 16 year old Olly Reynolds to spite her mother Angie (whom he claimed to love)
The man is deluded with his own insecurities and strikes out like a petty child bully (usually in the most hurtful way possible).”
Trouble is sheepie - long standing characters can't realistically be held accountable for their past actions forever. If people like Cain, as just one example, who have done very bad things in the past, were never ever allowed to move on and go on to feel normal emotions like pain, sense of betrayal, anger etc, there quite simply wouldn't be any sls for him. In this particular case of him finding out Moira lied to his face about her past relationship with James, would you prefer him to sit there smiling, without saying a word, because he knows he's also lied in the past? Where would be the drama, or even a basic sl, in that?
Pretty much ALL characters in soaps can be accused of hypocrisy in that respect, based on their past sls. Irl, almost no current characters would even be speaking to any other character because of past rows, hatreds, betrayals etc, (points at Chas and Dobbeh for a start). Basically, we have to 'put to bed' past sls at some point, and take the new ones at face value.
Originally Posted by 80's Gal:
“As you know, I love Cain I understand that he's hurt cause she lied to him BUT he's done far worse things in his life and I would have thought that he'd have been a tiny bit more understanding. The way he is carrying on, you would think that she had cheated on him ”
“As you know, I love Cain
I understand that he's hurt cause she lied to him BUT he's done far worse things in his life and I would have thought that he'd have been a tiny bit more understanding. The way he is carrying on, you would think that she had cheated on him ”
Couldn't agree more.
Originally Posted by thejoyof_pat:
“While I am a fuming with Adumbell and raging at Cain for being so cold and distant and worried that my Fav couple on the show will be no more his reaction is completely Old&NUCain. For me, Cain has always been a character with no middle gears. The people he hates are at rock bottom, worse than that, and the people he loves he puts on a pedestal: Chas, Debbie, Zak & Moira are up there. When they fall, just as Moira has now, they fall very hard. His reactions can also be very erratic because of no middle gearsness (make up language). She really made a rod for her own back by not coming clean at the hotel however I completely understand her decision and reasoning for why she kept quiet at that time. I only hope that Cain can forgive and they work together in time.”
“While I am a fuming with Adumbell and raging at Cain for being so cold and distant and worried that my Fav couple on the show will be no more
his reaction is completely Old&NUCain. For me, Cain has always been a character with no middle gears. The people he hates are at rock bottom, worse than that, and the people he loves he puts on a pedestal: Chas, Debbie, Zak & Moira are up there. When they fall, just as Moira has now, they fall very hard. His reactions can also be very erratic because of no middle gearsness (make up language). She really made a rod for her own back by not coming clean at the hotel however I completely understand her decision and reasoning for why she kept quiet at that time. I only hope that Cain can forgive and they work together in time.”
Totally agree with this to JOP.
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“Morning Star.
I apologise for my Bike comment even before you see it.”
“Morning Star.
I apologise for my Bike comment even before you see it.”
Morning Kwynne
It's ok, your comment wasn't referring to Debbie as a bike like some peoples *glares at Jaded*
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“I have 2, they have a fondness for eating tapes but they still work, sadly my Freeview+ box rendered them obsolete.”
“I have 2, they have a fondness for eating tapes but they still work, sadly my Freeview+ box rendered them obsolete.”
Funnily enough, I have two to
Originally Posted by Gulftastic:
“You can't put any worth on JR's anti-Cain ramblings! He's still bitter about Cain bagging AWP!”
“You can't put any worth on JR's anti-Cain ramblings! He's still bitter about Cain bagging AWP!”
PMSL
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“I
I was thinking cain had an idealistic view of his marriage to moira, that it fixed him somehow after all the bad things he has done in the past, now Moira has ruined all that with her lies and stuff so all the hopes he had of bettering himself are gone.”
“I
I was thinking cain had an idealistic view of his marriage to moira, that it fixed him somehow after all the bad things he has done in the past, now Moira has ruined all that with her lies and stuff so all the hopes he had of bettering himself are gone.”
Yes - I'd agree there is that element to his outlook, which, in itself allows himself to shift "responsibility" away from himself - Moira ruined it.
Originally Posted by Gulftastic:
“But Cain is changing. He's aware of his past, and hates that part of himself. He's put so much trust in Moira, even the smallest betrayal makes him fear he could lose it all.
I'm enjoying it. Its actual character development.”
“But Cain is changing. He's aware of his past, and hates that part of himself. He's put so much trust in Moira, even the smallest betrayal makes him fear he could lose it all.
I'm enjoying it. Its actual character development.”
I never said I wasn't enjoying it Gulfie
Do I feel sorry for him? - not one iota!
Do I think he's changing? - I might have done - if he hadn't bullied Moira into telling Adam - she wasn't ready for it - Adam certainly wasn't ready to hear it - and Cain's only motivation was his own petty insecurities about his trust of Moira.
BIB really
- I can't say I've seen any sign of himhating himself for any of his past.
Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“Trouble is sheepie - long standing characters can't realistically be held accountable for their past actions forever. If people like Cain, as just one example, who have done very bad things in the past, were never ever allowed to move on and go on to feel normal emotions like pain, sense of betrayal, anger etc, there quite simply wouldn't be any sls for him. In this particular case of him finding out Moira lied to his face about her past relationship with James, would you prefer him to sit there smiling, without saying a word, because he knows he's also lied in the past? Where would be the drama, or even a basic sl, in that?
Pretty much ALL characters in soaps can be accused of hypocrisy in that respect, based on their past sls. Irl, almost no current characters would even be speaking to any other character because of past rows, hatreds, betrayals etc, (points at Chas and Dobbeh for a start). Basically, we have to 'put to bed' past sls at some point, and take the new ones at face value.”
“Trouble is sheepie - long standing characters can't realistically be held accountable for their past actions forever. If people like Cain, as just one example, who have done very bad things in the past, were never ever allowed to move on and go on to feel normal emotions like pain, sense of betrayal, anger etc, there quite simply wouldn't be any sls for him. In this particular case of him finding out Moira lied to his face about her past relationship with James, would you prefer him to sit there smiling, without saying a word, because he knows he's also lied in the past? Where would be the drama, or even a basic sl, in that?
Pretty much ALL characters in soaps can be accused of hypocrisy in that respect, based on their past sls. Irl, almost no current characters would even be speaking to any other character because of past rows, hatreds, betrayals etc, (points at Chas and Dobbeh for a start). Basically, we have to 'put to bed' past sls at some point, and take the new ones at face value.
”
Whoa there onj - that sounds very much like you're telling me I have to like it for the sake of it.
Characters DO have a past and long standing viewers (like me) are aware of that past - too many times characters are given selective memory or short term personality traits and it can make a mockery of the situation - soaps are not as popular as they used to be - there are reasons for that
One thing I did like about last night's ep was Victoria telling Adam he wasn't perfect - it was an astoundingly pertinent point - but sadly it was thrown in as little more than a throwaway byline.
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