Apologies in advance because I wasn't on much last night; but I missed any discussion on this. Danielle mentions her very simplistic, nonsensical epistemological concerns during nominations and gets (rightly) criticised in thread after thread.

Yet, from Jale last night we had:
1. Evicted for carrying out an exorcism in every room in her house.
2. 'Stick this splinter of a plastic spoon on your 'ead and you'll find your spirit guide. And -
3. 'Ooh - I've just had a paradigm shift'.

And not a dicky-bird on here! Is this hocus pocus preferable to Danielle's hocus pocus? Am I missing something?

Some people believe things that we don't. It's that simple.

I posted this in the Jale trust thread





tbh, I must have been half-asleep, "I hope she doesn't?", I think she already has

I quite like Jale - but she's turning a little bit Wolfy on us.

I'm surprised at Jale's belief in all this nonsense, because the rest of her personality seems so down to earth and matter-of-fact.

She sees through the bullshi* of the other housemates yet signs up to auras and spirit guides and the like. Somehow when she does it though, it is a lot less annoying than when Wolfy did it!

I think there's more of a fuss about Danielle's silly beliefs because it's part of her fake pious Catholic girl act, rather than being genuine.

I'm just wondering what's holding her back from exorcizing the Big Brother house.

Maybe she didn't bring a sports bra.

Well when she said Winston was VERY telepathic/ or pehaps she said psychotic , it did ring alarm bells with me.

Point.

the good thing about is it keeps Mark piped down, as Jale is obviously bang into this and knows all the jargon, Mark just learnt the basics and is way over his head when chatting to a true nutter

Hi Patsy

Interesting thoughts you raise. I have to admit I didn't take Jale's 'spirit guide' routine with Winston very seriously. I actually though she was winding him up a bit. For me it was one of the more light hearted funnier bits so far this season (which says something doesn't it?). I took it as tongue in cheek and liked the way she was having to supress her giggles as he described his spirit guide. I was also amused that his spirit guide was so totally predictable.

I hadn't picked up that Jale believes in angels. I don't have a problem with that per se. I think most of us do in some shape or form. We may frame it differently but I think in times of trial, stress or longing most of us silently plead for a good outcome. Who are we pleading with God? ( The Catholic one, the Muslim one, one of the various protestant ones? - the list goes on), fate? Gaia? angels? the ancestors? the tea leaves?

I think the difference for me is that I don't believe Danielle believes what she says she believes. I haven't the evidence on Jale because I hadn't noticed her version of spirituality as yet. But I do think the Danielle one is to do with an incongruity.

I also think it was problematic because it was quite discriminatory. She nominated because he took a secular stance on the origins of everything, which seems to me to be dangerously close to nominating someone for being a different faith.

Wolfy was batshit. Jale seems normal within that sphere of living - I know other, completely normal, people who use crystals and stuff. I think it's bonkers but each to their own.

BIB I don't think there's any doubt that Danielle was brought up a Catholic, so I don't see any reason to doubt Danielle when she says she believes in Creation.
A silly reason to nominate somebody certainly.

We only see 45 minutes of 24 hours. Perhaps he was giving his opinion and stating his disbelief in/slating Christianity whilst Danielle was in company.

I think this is why I find her disingenuous in this respect. I too was raised a Catholic. They tried to impose a lot of, to my mind, daft or contradictory ideas on me. However promulgating creationism wasn't one of them. They have a twist on "Darwinism" which sort of squares it with the biblical view. This I found to be a very Catholic feature; supress the science for a century or so and then reinterpret to make the science fit the religion.

At no point in Sunday school or church etc was I ever told to disbelieve the science. But only to see it through the Church's interpretation.

What was it they said paradigm meant last night? I can't remember, but when she said the paradigm shift thing, someone (I think Steven, but I wouldn't lay any money on it) gave a definition of what it meant and Jale agreed. They were, of course, both wrong.


And, almost, called "Helen". Who wears the trousers in the people he hangs around with?

....other than it not being Catholic doctrine.

Danielle's 'conservative Catholic' persona is FAKE! She's just using it to get noticed as a 'character'.

How do I know this?

1) Look at the way she laughed when her nomination of Ash was shown to the house.
You don't laugh if what you're saying stems from genuine conviction. And you don't make light of it with slang like "bish, bash, bosh!"

2) A genuine person of faith would've been FAR more offended by Helen's comments about her religion than the *personal* comments. But Helen's blasphemy didn't seem to bother her at all.

She doesn't beleive any of it.

Same here.

We had a batty old headmaster in primary school who taught Old Testament as literal and made us do the rosary but as soon as I got to big school, it was much more modern. Out went creationism, in came science. Out went purgatory and hell, in came debates on abortion and capital punishment. The Old Testament was studied as allegory or as a reflection on its historical construction not as fact.

She doesn't resemble any catholic I know, either lapsed or practising.

Most strict Catholics I know will say the odd swear word or even slip out "God!" but feel very icky about taking Christ's 'name in vain', like Danielle did in the fishy porridge task. Her "Jesus Christ gimme a chance!" really surprised me. To some Catholics, that's way worse than swearing.

^Exactly! The Catholic church doesn't even teach creationism.
In fact, the offical doctrine (I've read their Catechism ) leans more towards "Theistic Evolution".

Yet more evidence that Danielle's religious persona is fake!

It looked like she didn't even knew what a paradigm shift was.

It certainly did. I'm used to hearing it used (probably incorrectly) in the non-scientific sense of a major change in political perspective. Maybe it was a subtle commentary on the social dynamics of the house - but I don't think so.

Matthew thought a paradigm was an example, which is reasonable. It seemed he wasn't familiar with the phrase "paradigm shift".

I'm not sure Jale was agreeing, rather than moving things on because she didn't know what to say. Nothing Matthew said would fit with Jale having a "paradigm shift" while sitting in the smoking area.

I'm glad someone brought this up as I couldn't quite hear the whole conversation and when someone (Steven, you think?) mentioned 'something' I didn't hear it was as if she brushed his comment off as she didn't expect him to know what she was talking about?

Anyway it's quite amusing we have Mark & Jale in there, should have a battle of the psychics task.