I admit I haven't seen episode 2 yet from tonight ... but I was wondering if Moira's getting so much stick because of the lies she's told long term. James' marriage ended and he lost contact with his brother (even though John didn't know about the one night stand); whilst Moira carried on with her life despite knowing John wasn't the father and kept her husband and son in the dark for years.

James' on-going bad luck seems to be constantly referenced. The three sons don't really respect James already (and perhaps have their mother on a pedestal?) so now they know the real reason their mother left them and Moira's getting all of the blame.

Also, Moira tried to get rid of James by setting him up and she locked Chas in the cellar to scare her into not saying anything.

I do agree though that the writing of Moira has been totally hit and miss lately.

I too have a hard time sympathising with Cain considering ALL he's done in the past but I guess the emphasis is on the fact he asked her straight out to admit if anything had happened...

they're all hypocrits x

She didn't know.. she was never sure.... until James carried out a DNA without her knowledge a few weeks ago... so she hasn't been lying for 22 years ..

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I know! And yeah she should have said but... 23 years obviously believing he was johns not james and for james to be so underhand about thw dna (off a sock) was actually daft in the first place! I personally feel James wanted to have her and knew by doing what he did and 'letting it come out' was his way of ruining her and yet we have to see for whatvpurpose! Yeah Moria screwed up but.... so did James!! I hope cain comes round! I love the new settled down loveable rouge he is!!

BIB: I'm sorry but I have to cut in and say that Moira never knew that until a couple of weeks ago, It was likely, although we can't be sure but going by the years we seen Moira & John together they were affectionate, that John & Moira had sex around the same time she had her own night stand with James so Moira probably believed Adam was John.

James losing his brother and his wife is NOT Moira's doing. The reasons why John & James stop speaking to one another still are not clear and from the little information we had about Emma, it doesn't seem to have been a strong marriage anyway but that was all him. Furthermore, his relationship with his sons is all his bag as well.

Moira has been lying to Cain repeatedly for months. That is his bone of contention, not who she slept with in the past.

I agree with you Meg. I think James is not gutted about this that much, I think he could try to be the one who comforts Moira.

[quote=SteveOwen;73397512]Moira has been lying to Cain repeatedly for months. That is his bone of contention, not who she slept with in the past.[/QUOTe

and cain didnt tell her about his night before the wedding wiv charity!!!

No you're not. I've gone a very ranty multi-quote on t'daileh thread saying the same! I was actually irate when I was watching.

Chas took actual pleasure in throwing it in Moira's face that all the village knew. Where was Moira when Chas was imprisoned for something she hadn't done and was the pariah of the village? Oh yeah. Going to see her in prison. She might not have bothered.

What was she on about "after what you've done to James". Can someone remind me what she's done to James please because IIRC she took him in when he was on the seat of his pants and had nowhere else to go! If it's 'hiding' Adam's paternity TBH I don't think Moira believed he was James's son, she looked shocked when James told her. Chances are she'll have shagged John more round that time than just the once with James so probably told herself Adam was her husbands.

If Adam was my son (I've got a son the same age) he'd have copped several slaps from me for the things he called his mother So this lad has never made a mistake in his short life has he? I seem to recall him shagging both Ela Macey AND her mother at the same time. He tried to set fire to Cain FGS. This dad he was supposed to idolise? Didn't he break his heart by going to work for his arch-enemy Declan? Yeah, Adam is prefect.

As for Cain, we won't even go there. Isn't enough time to list all the nasty things he's done in his life!!!

Yet Moira is the demonised one?

Right-o ED.

[quote=MegMog2014;73397596]
But nothing happened with Charity and he DID tell Moira about it. That's the difference.

Oh please I hope not I would have to stop watching! Cain is playing it right be annoyed be the hard one thats who she (or I) love but come back and make ot right! The chemistry between Cain and Moria is far better than that between James and Moria and lets be honest and I dont want to speak ill of the dead but John was a numpty to her! Wasnt Eva a factor at some point?? So was he mistreating her back then?

Lotty, perfect. Chasw*nker was one of the worst ones in the episodes. She kept going on and on and you're right she did enjoy it, probably because she's on the side of the fence this time round, where Moira is. Who needs enemies when you have a friend like Chas? I wish I could help you out with the quote hunny but I have no idea.

These episodes have really taken their shine away from Kate, the producer, who I have been a great supporter of. I think I could have watched and reacted differently if at least ONE PERSON was in Moira's corner, trying to see things for her POV but no even when Chas tries to do that she refers to her as a 'cow' what a boot! Glasgow Kiss Moira in a couple of weeks.

ETA: I wonder if Cain took the whole day off needed to go through everything from his past with Moira? I doubt it. I know she should have told him at the hotel but what is past is past and they did promise to never to speak of it to anyone else. It had went into the file of 'that never happened' we've all got one. There are things from my past I will never share with my boyfriend and why should I? He wasn't around then and I was someone else. Furthermore, like someone said on the Daily she probably would have in her own time had she not be hounded.

Great post Lotty.

Moira has lied to Cain and that was the wrong thing to do BUT there is absolutely no way that she deserved to be treated that way.

Cain allowed himself to be manipulated by Adam Barton and that pushed him over the edge. I'm disappointed that Cain has walked out on her and I'm also disappointed that Chas decided to take the moral high ground - neither of them are saints and both of them have made plenty of mistakes.

ALL of the Bartons appear to have forgotten what Moira has done for them - even Ross had the cheek to say that Moira had tried it on with him.

The only person who really has any right to feel hard done by is Adam, but even his behaviour was OTT.

I would not be surprised if a public stoning had not been organised for next week to really punish her.

Meanwhile.....James Barton gets a telling off from his boys and goes and pulls a couple of pints in the pub.

Nice

This! 100% what I was trying to say! Thank you x

THIS

Fantastic post Lotteh

Horrendous treatment of Moira tonight

BIB - Mia Macey. Ella was the mother

Yet James blames Moira for everything, he fails to take responsibility for his own actions.

Why did James and John fall out? James said tonight that his boys knew ALMOST everything - it makes me wonder what else he is hiding, I am sure Emma Barton will make an appearance at some stage and hopefully she will spill the beans.

One thing that confuses me. James told Chas that Emma never knew what was wrong she just thought she was going mad and left him and the boys, but obviously she did know going by that video. I find it hard to believe that she wouldn't even try to make contact with her kids for all of those years, there must be a very good reason why she has stayed away.

She deserved everything she got! And so did james who got enough abuse from his kids as well

Why ?

Give it a couple of years - and we'll discover he was also shagging Ella's mother too

Because she's a lying slag

James is a slippery character and not be trusted. At all. He has a nice guy personality but I don't think he's that at all. That's right I remember him saying that and thinking hmmm what else is he hiding? Plus even when he was caught out he tired to get out of it by making the mother sound like a nutter, Moira's silence was golden.

I will be surprised if Chas doesn't question him as he has told her one thing and then another has been revealed. Oh wait, no I won't actually.

Where is that rolling eyes smiley?

I don't agree, I think Moira was treated much more harshly than James. At the end of the ep she was left with nothing yet he was in the pub pulling pints