The plot desperately needs the lovely 'Nessa to stand by her friend Moira and tell some much needed home truths to the hypocrites of the village.


and someone needs to give Adumb a bloody good slap.

While Morag the Slag obviously shouldnt have jumped her brother in law so easily when her husband who were depicted as sooo loved up when they joined to show so easily, and it was over 20 years ago so all this hand wringing is a bit OTT. What she needs to be tarred and feathered for is that she actually let some total toolish tw*t who is more wooden than a tent pole and looks like he is trying to hold his dentures in most of the time and sports the most ridiculous pudding basin haircut. shag her! She must have been temporarily insane or under the influence of ROHIPNOL. I am wondering if that sock that was DNA tested was really Ross's and the whole family has been upturned for nowt!

I dozed through most of it - will have to catch the omnibus but sad to say I can sort of understand it even though it is grossly unfair.

Adam is an immature little boy who over reacts, he always has been so totally in character.
Cain has been asking about James from the start and she's concealed the truth from him and now finds out she was concentrating more on worrying about another man than him on their wedding day. It's the breaking of his trust he's upset about.
Chas has always been a hypocrite and Ott in supporting her current man so no surprise she's on James' side.

I think the big thing is that to a certain view, Moira has lived a lie her entire adult life. She and John had a picture postcard happy marriage, each other's first loves, faithful, utterly in lovee and several other people were hurt when they were having problems, including Chas and Adam. Now it turns out, not only had she cheated before (with her brother in law no less) but kept the very important fact that he might not be Adam's father from John for 20 years. I know she argues that she was sure he was but it is still a major thing.

Really, the problem goes back to the retcon the writers have done re Moira's fidelity to John by introducing James. They are now actually addressing that on screen but doing it in a rather horrible way towards Moira.

They all might like to remember who saved their butts though.

I agree there is much more to Emma than we're being told. I wouldn't be surprised to find out she's in a shallow grave somewhere - James seems capable of it to me. It certainly seems very strange to just walk out on your 3 kids and never contact them again. It seems like it's something you'd only do if you were scared of the man you are leaving or have gone completely insane. Or perhaps James got inside her mind so much that she genuinely believed they were better off without her. The way we've seen James blame Moira for everything (and have others believe him) I can believe he did the same with Emma and it might have broken her.

I watched Thursday night episode this morning and was utterly appalled by the way Adam spoke to his mum. If I spoke like that to my mum - even in shock and at 24 - I would probably be slapped and booted out the house faster then you can say sl*g, but that's the point, I would NEVER talk to my mother like that - no matter what she had done. She's my mother!!!

Well, I enjoyed it very much. But then I've learned not to come on here when watching as most on here are quite vile about so much it makes me wonder why the hell they watch in the first place.

But the thing with Moira is, she only did it once in a drunken fumble with James, she didn't know until a couple of weeks ago that Adam was his, when James got the results of the dna test, why isn't she saying this more forcefully instead of coming over all guilty like. It isn't as if every one of them who has it in for her hasn't done exactly the same thing.

That's a very sweeping statement. Some of us who live in the country are quite nice.

You've managed to say what I was clumsily trying to!

I understand anger, I understand despair, I understand devastation but I will never understand the pure venom he directed at his mother. The utter joy in telling the that he'd told Holly and Hannah (something else which was taken out of her hands *roll eyes*) and that she'd now lost them too. He even dripped his poison into Cain. He wants her to lose everything but he hasn't lost everything! There was no compassion there at all. Not even a slightly doubtful look on his face as if he knew he'd gone too far. Nasty, nasty young man. (I know it's very early days but I would find it hard to forget that venom in a hurry if I was Moira).

The stupid lad hasn't learnt anything in life either, after the mistakes he's made, the cover up which was engineered for him when he turned arsonist and tried to fry Cain he still grabbed a gun. His initial reaction was still violence/wanting to kill someone. It's about time this lad was made to suffer the consequences of his own actions instead of everyone protecting him.

Mind you he's always been colossally stupid. Declan tried to save his father and IIRC he got no thanks of Adam, just verbal abuse and mud slung at his car!


Agreed. You'd be screaming "I never covered it up - I didn't know either!!!!!!!!!!!!!" wouldn't you? Moira is mentally very strong, she can stick up for herself, yet they had her crumpling like a tissue!

Got me riled though so it worked

Re Moira's knowledge of the paternity. I agree that she is likely to have been at it like rabbits with John at the same time so just 'decided' that statistically Adam was more likely to be his. She wanted Adam to be his so just convinced herself that he was and put it to the back of her mind which will have been made easier by James no longer being part of their lives. But, unless she was suffering from some form of amnesia, she did know it had happened and must have known there was a possibility James was Adams father and chose to ignore it so isn't blameless.

Hopefully once she's over the initial shock of being attacked like this she'll dish out a few home truths to people - like Adam having slept with a mother and daughter and Chas sleeping with her niece's fiancee, using Dan etc, etc.

I also agree with all the posts re parental respect. I would never, never speak to either of my parents the way Adam does Moira under any circumstances and I'm in my 40s. But as I said before, he's a self entitled little brat and always has been so no real surprise.

I have to agree with Purple Bunny I really enjoyed the episodes and every character behaved how I thought they would. I found myself agree with Chas when she said to Moria you can keep your own secret but, you can't keep mine.

I didn't like the way Adam spoke to his mother but, I knew I wasn't watching the Waltons and didn't expect him to behave well when he found out the bloke he loathed was actually his biological father. I would have been more surprised if he hadn't lashed out at Moira.

I particularly liked the Adam and Cain scene because it reminded the audience that Cain knew exactly what Adam was going through (and I chuckled when Adam said it's not the same because it was Shadrak ).

Moira was silly not to have told Cain when he asked the question before the wedding and although I understand why she didn't, I can also understand why Cain is so hurt. We know the guy has serious trust issues and we've watched him grow to trust her unreservedly. To find out she did not tell him about James and then reveal that she hid the money, he is understandingly going to question who is this person he married. I do like Cain and Moira together and I hope they get back together but, to expect all the characters involved to behave as if she was a totally innocent party would be unrealistic (even by soap standards).

Such hypocrites. Moira had a one-night stand 23 years ago and she is being crucified,,....,by whom? Cain, a lifetime thief, adulterer, child abuser (Amy): Adam, had sex with Declan's daughter and Declan's wife; left the farm when John and Moira were struggling to keep their head above water, and went to work for Declan. Chas, that would take too long, Debbie no doubt will have her say, Ross, at present doing a very bad imitation of Warren Beatty as Clyde to Donna's Bonnie.. 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'. Moira should stand up to all of them; I presume it is her farm so she sell up and leave. But I hope she doesn't as she is a good character.
Emma, John's wife: it is very strange that, having fallen out with her husband, she walked out and never contacted her children again. Could James have murdered her and fed her to the pigs, or buried her on their old farm?

Can't argue with this. She knew there was a chance but obviously tried to forget about shagging James as quickly as possible. Eventually she'll have convinced herself that he couldn't possibly be James's etc and probably did put it right to the back of her mind, very rarely thought about as some kind of coping mechanism and not wanting to rock the foundations of her family by confessing. How many times must this have happened in real life? Reminds me of my granny's sayings: "your father's not your father but your father don't know!" and "many a man rocks another man's cradle" It's been going on since time began and rightly or wrongly the vast majority of the women will have kept schtum I reckon.

I'm not absolving her of blame but usually in this circumstances (and how many times must this have happened in the past?!) there'll be someone there (mother? husband? another of her children? sibling? friend?) protecting the woman, not sticking up for her exactly but not letting too much aggression and bad name calling continue unchecked. This case was so shocking because everyone turned on her, she had no one there to say "shut up, you're going to far now" etc and it was quite sad to watch


Although it might sound like I didn't I did quite enjoy the episodes, they certainly got me riled!

I can understand Chas being upset that Moira inadvertently gave away the fact that she also knew the secret (as soon as Moira said the words I thought 'oh no.......') but you'd also have thought she'd remember that this woman was one of the very few who stood by her, went to see her in prison etc when Chas's precious family had turned their backs on her. I foolishly thought that thinking of that would have tempered her bitchiness and nastiness towards Moira. She actually took pleasure in telling Moira that everyone knew.

I've always liked Chas and was disappointed in her. But IMO it's also ridiculous how they've got her going on with James, a man she's known all of 5 minutes and has all the charisma of that old sock he sent to be DNA tested! They've made her look desperate and pathetic for that?
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Way over the top reaction from sideline players - chas / cain.

Hopefully when they all slink back to the farm to do their day job, Moi is stood at the gate with a shot gun telling every last one of them to do one, before hiring temporary staff to run her farm. If I was her, Id also have James' herd rounded up and relocated to outside the wooly.

Cain has never cheated on a wife, so technically he is not an adulterer. Not that I'm excusing his dubious sexual history in any way.

I do agree with everything else you write. But then, if everyone had reacted calmly and put the kettle on, we'd all be moaning about the lack of drama and what a letdown it all was.

I'm afraid in this instance I can see why. I explained in my post on the daily if anyone cares enough to look


Are you actually serious? 'Cain should have known better than to trust her' .. So Moira's one night stand 23 years ago and a small lie is worse than all the horrendous things Cain has done? Including knocking up his daughters (barely legal) girlfriend, just to hurt her, killing people's beloved pets and threatening a, again barely legal, girl he got pregnant into having an abortion?

Come on now. Moira shouldn't of had a one night stand and she shouldn't have lied when Cain asked her outright but they are NOTHING compared to the vile things Cain has done.


Adam has slept with more people than his mother!!


Again, 4 guys in 40 odd years.


Exactly Sheepie!!


Couldn't agree more CC. It disgusts me how some people talk to their mothers


Totally agree Janet.

I understand that, but what I don't understand is why Moira allowed James to move in and even went into business with the man, knowing that he carried this potential ticking time bomb of a secret. OK, she didn't know that he was Adam's father, but she knew it was at least a possibility. She invited all of this drama upon herself, needlessly. Just poor writing really.

The other aspect to her believing John was the Dad was that they had Holly and Hannah fairly soon afterwards so knew John had plenty of healthy swimmers. If they'd had trouble conceiving either of the girls (which I'm guessing they didn't as they are all so close in age) she might have wondered more.

It's not nice seeing anybody treated in such a horrible way en masse with nobody defending them - even if they've done something to deserve it which arguably Moira hasn't. Certainly no worse than the people dishing out her punishment.

Hard to say for sure. She trusted that he wouldn't want it coming out anymore than she did (he was married to his sons mother at the time), assumed that he wasn't still carrying a torch for her (or grudge against her) after over 20 years and is just a kind person that didn't want to see them all homeless and jobless.

oh I know, I grew up in the country myself. That's literally me being over dramatic and only referring to the characters on the show.

I've just caught up on the episodes and this week has been one of Emmerdale's strongest since the double wedding.

Adam Thomas has definitely improved in the acting stakes I was very impressed.

I was doing okay with the episode until Chas was sticking her nose in and having a go, only because James was getting none of it. Then I realised that Chas wouldn't have had a problem and would probably have been on Moira's side had they told the truth in the beginning. And I agree with Chas in this instance.

Some of the things Adam said were pretty harsh and out of order but he just found out his dead Dad is not his Dad and he thinks his mum has lied to him since he was born. We know she didn't know but it would be hard for you to accept that when you are that distraught.

I feel terrible for Moira but if she had just told the truth this never would have happened, only Adam would be furious with her. As it is, she wanted to carry on with the lie and it's landed her in trouble.

Pete really annoys me as well though how is always all like I forgive you Dad, I love you blah blah blah. Finn you should forgive him too blah blah.

I agree, the writing has been shocking. I remember when James first arrived in the village and had a go at Moira when he found out about her affair with Cain. He actually said 'I thought you and John were the real deal, poor John'. These are hardly the words that would be spoken by a man who had slept with his brothers wife are they?

She didn't really invite the Bartons to stay, she had no choice as they were homeless, but she was the one to make the initial contact with James when Ross turned up on her doorstep. It is an odd thing to do considering she had worked very hard to keep him out of their lives up until that time.

This!

Cain has done some shocking things in his time but because his dad clobbered him over the head he seems to think that he has paid for his mistakes. Even when Chas mentioned his bullying of Amy his response was 'I always said I didn't want the baby' - so that makes it ok then?

Similarly Chas has said several times that she has paid for her mistakes now because Cameron tried to kill her.

I found the treatment of Moira quite shocking last night and, forgive me making the comparison, but surely Debbie copped less flak for holding a gun to Chas' head?

Yes, I agree with almost all that, (except that personally I though Chas was way too nasty to Moira, considering her own cheating, lying past and all that she seemed to care about was 'my brother', (she said this about 100 times - has she secretly got the hots for him?) and the effect on 'poor' James, as if he was some innocent victim here.
I think the one most justifiably affected was Adam. Everything he thought he knew about his whole family has been snatched from him in the blink of an eye, and it doesn't surprise me that he verbally lashed out at Moira. He just wanted to hurt her as much as she has hurt him.

I also agree with you about Cain. Soaps wouldn't work if every character who ever did a bad thing was forever after barred from ever having feelings of betrayal, hurt etc. and Cain never was and never will be a saint, so I understood his reactions completely. It's early days and we've only seen his (and others') initial reactions.

So at this early stage, my only real beef is with desperate clingy man-mad Chas, who in my book had absolutely no reason in hell to treat Moira like that, but anyway I found the whole thing hugely entertaining and am happy to see that ED has got people talking about it again. Can't wait for the upcoming eps.

It was more horrific than I imagined but miles more entertaining and a great pay off and we're only at the beginning, I'm looking forward to what happens next especially Moira being more Feisty, it's a case of when not if. I also agree, I have really enjoyed this debate and hearing everyone's point of view.