That sounds great, tenchgirl !!

+1. Fantastic. There are several people who are long overdue a Glasgow Kiss for Moira. Her family seem like a good place to start the now.

I agree, I had read the spoilers but did not expect that level of hatred to be directed at Moira

She is a strong character and I'm sure that she will come out of her corner fighting in the next couple of eps and it is great to see so many people talking about Emmerdale

I agree on all points I'm looking forward to more of what is coming up. Right now Moira is at rock bottom, the only way for her from here on in is up and I hope she doesn't let people off the hook that quickly.

The more I think about it the more I get wound up Ross's little comments when talking to his brothers. Hello, she took you in when you got shot and then, even when friends who have known her for years turned up back on them because of you, she was still on side.

Same for Pete when he was caught keeping drugs in the house, she allowed him to stay and still be part of the farm.

Now because I'm objective, I can see why the boys were upset however in the grand scheme of things they haven't actually 'lost' anything. They have gained a brother.

This is when you drama is good when it has the power to inspire feelings, of any kind, in you.

BIB well, Ross would say that wouldn't he? He thinks every woman in the world is panting for his dubious charms.

As for the rest of them, including the hypocritical Chas, what a cheek she has the trollop, she needs to look into her own past life. People in glass houses and all that.....

James the slimy slimebag, would someone please kill him now, he really will not be missed and his ungrateful litter of sons should go too, except Finn.

Debbie copped less flak for her involvement in Gennie's death

Wow. There's no hypocrisy here at all.

Hi lotty27
Because the writers have over-used the character in the past I've gradually grown to dislike Chas and because of it I've always thought her to be whinny, desperate, pathetic and a total hypocrite, but there again she is a Dingle and claiming the moral high ground over anything an everything is a family trait! So clinging on to James for "that" wasn't a big surprise for me. My surprise was that I found myself siding with her for going against Moira. The one thing she begged Moira not to reveal, Moira let slip, I'm sure if she had kept her name out of it Chas would have been less brutal. In fact we saw a little glimmer of her friendship for Moira when she was trying to persuade Cain not to leave.


Hi OnJ For the reasons giving above I kinda understood why Chas went for Moira. I'm hoping that when she calms down, Chas will support Moira and help patch the families together.

Add me to the list of fans of this post

I think I'd actually cheer if this happened


I often wish there was a 'like' button on DS.

Like I've said, Cain is acting like someone from a Mills & Boon all hurt because 'she lied, boo hoo! I'm leaving!!' Get over yourself and support your wife Allowing himself to be poisoned by a runt like Adam? No way would old Cain have been as daft!


Well, she does have a good heart but could she also have been a bit worried that if she didn't let him and his family stay he'd 'out' her through malice?


Me too JOP, really glad you started the thread
Always enjoy your posts but it was also great to read other viewpoints from my more ranty stance last night


Again I want to 'like' this!
DS really should get one because sometimes you just want to acknowledge a great post without adding anything because it's all been said so all you can say is 'Agreed', 'spot on' etc.


Ha, this is why I like you Star. You're Debbie mad but never let her off with anything And of course you're right. DEBBIE didn't get this amount of venom for bringing murderer to the village and covering up for him when she found out he'd killed Carl!

Moira might as well take that shotgun and shoot the lot of them, she couldn't be any more hated, lol!

Moira is way stronger than this... she has run the farm since John's death.. this is not the Moira we have know... the writers have gotten this very wrong.....

and why Cain hasn't thought long and hard, about what James has been doing to Moira all this time.. the constant sneaky pressure.... the snidey bullying ... and trying it on.. even after all these years he's still trying it on... Cain should have used his brain instead of his ego... and saw that James is not upset over this coming out atall.. I suspect James will be merrily smug.. after the storm.. that he has shattered Moiras life.. after all.. this was his objective after rejection right...

Oh and Chas... you lose.. no matter what...

I'm really late to this, but YES basically. What a bunch of judgmental tossers the men in Moira's life are. She needs to dry her eyes, pull her boiler suit and wellies back on, go do the milking and tell the lot of them to F*ck the F*ck off. Including Chas, who came across, yet again, as an annoying interfering b*tch.

Adam will come back snivelling when he needs his washing doing anyway. Or a job. Cain wouldn't be able to resist if she played hard to get. The rest can just get lost. And if Pete and Finn are prepared to "forgive" James for treating their Mum (and everyone else) like crap for years, then they can sod off as well.

Having said all that, I loved the episodes, they were a great watch, if a bit soap suddy. I didn't really believe in Cain's reaction for a second, but Cain taking the gun from Adam was really good.

I felt the Gun scenes were a waste of time.. nobody was harmed nodody was threatened.. it was Adam being a Plonker... behaving in his usual ignorant manner.. when Cain tried to explain his own 'Zak/Shadrack' father twist... only for Adam to be repulsively insulting...

I'd have shot the little git right there... called it suicide lol

According to the spoilers, Adam was meant to stalk James with the shotgun. I was hoping that we would at least have seen James snivelling and begging Adam for his life - what a disappointment that was

Agree with all this, and I think last night was just all about initial reactions to a massive shock and needed to be as dramatic as it was. If everyone behaved rationally and calmly, it wouldn't be much of a sl and we wouldn't all be talking about the rights and wrongs of it like this.

That's why I am so interested to see how things go once the initial shock has worn off and everyone involved has had a chance to think things through.

PS Love the last line of your post!

Absolutely, there isn't one of them that Moira hasn't helped in some way. Moira should tell the lot of them to clear off, what an ungrateful bunch of tossers

Cain is angry and upset as he asked Moira outright if he knew all her history with James when at that hotel, he'll punish James soon enough I'm sure

Hard to find anything to disagree with here. She's stood by all of them when they were down on their luck and hardlt had anybody else. She's not perfect by any streach of the imagination but compared to those ungrateful losers (and i'm including Adam and Chas in that) she's pretty wonderful and they deserve to have her turn on them.

I hope that Ashley will remember her kindness to him when he needed it and not judge her. And too perhaps.

Given the show is run by a woman, Kate Oates, you would think she would know better and be more open-minded. Under her tenure, Emmerdale looks increasingly backward and out-of-touch with both the modern world and the real world.

I'm still hoping that they redeem themselves in the next couple of shows.

This post says it all really. I totally agree with you. Had James not done the DNA test behind their backs no one would have been any wiser, Moira included..

What I also really hate about this storyline is we were always given the impression John and Moira had a solid relationship until her dalliance with Cain. It feels like their entire preEmmerdale story has been crapped on from a great height. Weren't John and Moira meant to have been teenage sweethearts etc? What a shame that story has been ruined with this nonsense.

Unfortunately the scriptwriters appear to find it easier to alter a characters backstory and personality to suit a storyline rather than write the storyline to suit the character

Sorry if this has been asked before but how did James get a DNA test done without the permission of the mother?

He stole one of Adam's socks out of the laundry basket and got a mail order test done on it within 24 hours.

Yes....really.

I don't think that TPTB researched this very well at all. Apparently you need the mothers permission and if the paternity concerns two brothers then they need to take this into account as well.

Q: If a child's paternity is in question and two brothers are possible fathers, how can a DNA laboratory determine who the father is? What if only one father is tested?
A: If both brothers are tested, we will extend the genetic testing until we are able to distinguish between the brothers. However, if only one brother was tested, and our laboratory is not informed about the possibility of the other related alleged father, there is a possibility that the statistics we issue may not be strictly correct, because we assume that the other possible fathers are not related to the tested man. If our DNA laboratory is informed, after the testing, that a brother of the tested man might be the father, we can determine the odds that the tested man, not his untested brother, is in fact the true biological father. However, when brothers are both potential fathers of a child, we strongly recommend testing both brothers as well as the mother of the child.

Apparently you need to send them either a blood sample or a cheek swab - they don't appear to accept socks

John Barton
James Barton
Alex Moss
Cain Dingle

For a woman who has been married most her life she hasn't half put it about!

Plus she grassed up Chas Dingle! What a crap mate!