I think she is.

Is she though?

Jale has played it really well up to now, she had a wobble in betraying Chris and sucking up to Helen won't do her any favours.

I said we should wait to see what happens before we target her. If nothing happens to put her in a bad light and the series ends, then yes the end of the series. I won't be in her life after the series ends so I cannot judge within the 10 years time limit. What an odd question.

I stand by my comment IF she sides with Helen the public will turn on her. We have all been watching and know that Kim and Helen will be on one side wanting to save Ash, Steven and WInston.

On the other side we will have Ashleigh and Danielle wanting to save Chris, Christoper and Mathew.

Jale will be the casting vote with a lot of these choices and i can see her siding with Helen to avoid being bullied targeted and conflict. She has seen what they did to Toya.

Exactly, she is not impulsive and she contemplates rather than jump the gun, she was perceptive in Toyas (imo apparent) manipulation of Ashleigh.

Actually I see it the other way around
Helen is sucking up to Jale. She has been constantly explaining her disgusting behaviour was down to what others (Pauline) was saying etc. Jale has listened and appreciated, like any one with manners and an intellect higher than the play ground bully would do.

How can she be despised for being a reasonable person fgs.

How so? Unless the viewers have changed how they see Helen to match the way Jale does.

"What they did to Toya"!!!! LOL, WTH was that??? What about what Toya did to Christopher, she is a loud mouth bully, no better than Helen

Things happen all the time. So how long should be wait?


Things have already happened to put her in a bad light.

Fact is Jale will want to save Marlon. That's a spanner in the works lol.

We have been shown one small clip of Jale talking to Helen, and some now think Jale will be best mates with Helen, I don't think so.....

I agree to a degree with the OP but think it will be the make or break for her.

She stands against Helen getting the final say over Ash +1 for example, Jale will remain one of the favourites probably till the end.

She sides with Helen over Ash + 1 it will break her as any excuse she comes out with will just sound hypocritical.

So tea leaves and crystal balls aside, the OP has a valid point, but as it stands it could go either way.

I don't condone Toya's behavior. What i was referring to was how quick Helen and her crew were to turn on Toya when she refused to do their dirty work.

I think you see more people disliking Helen than actually do!

did you read Marks tealeaves

Have you forgotten Marlon He is the one person who happens to be male that we know Jale does like.

Anyway didn't Danielle and Ashleigh nominate Chris


Exactly Spot on.


The OP has said that if Jale sides with Helen the public will turn against her. This is just too much conjecture for my part so I suggested we wait to see what actually happens. If she has already done something that put her in a bad light that isn't the point of the thread. It's coming across that some are champing at the bit to have a go at her.

Jale's chances of winning went out the window when Helen & Co. Stopped picking on her. Unless she becomes the cool gang's punch bag again, there's no way she will win over Mark or Winston.

I don't like Helen but people should be allowed to talk to her without that making them a public enemy. Getting along with her doesn't make anyone a bad person.

I think people want her to be stomping around in a strop refusing apologies and telling it to their faces or something like that.

Many of Helen's arguments she has actually been right! Her problem is the aggressive manner & amount of swearing she does when arguing. She could have wiped the floor with Matthew the other night & made him feel so small had she gone about it the right way but the way she went about it covered how pathetic Matthew looked! She has a short fuse & doesn't stop to think before she flies off the handle!

She is. She's had Helen up close and personal. Jale is an adult, she's not a child like Ashleigh, adults let it go and get on with it, children stew and stew.


How about just until she does something to be critical of. Listening to Helen is not a crime, it doesn't indicate a "shift in alliances" or friendships. Jale has been friends with Christopher and Marlon the whole time, so I expect she'll pick her battles and battle for those 2.

I don't see her standing up for the guy that called her a maggot, I don't see where there's been any indication she would. Kimberly, Ashleigh and Jale have all nominated Ash and he knows it. Helen will have her hands full trying to save Ash.

Ashleigh didn't, Danielle did because he dared to put her on his last shortlist for "potential" noms ....not that I think he was ever going to nom her.

Still ...I do think Chris will be up because Kim and Helen would be fine if he was up and both Jale and Danielle (to a greater degree) have done him over in the past. Ashleigh is the only one likely to try and push to save him IMO.

Is Helen that stupid? The last 2 she wants up against Ash is Christopher and Chris. He'd be a goner for sure.

I agree but that's the sexist nature of reality TV. Chris has more chance of winning than Jale and though I like him if it was a fair fight she'd stand a very good chance and wipe the floor with Mark and Winston but sadly it isn't


I know. It's madness isn't it Helen is a human being who has a terrible manner and delivery but maybe might be able to learn a few things if 'nice' people Jale are near her rather than ignoring her. FGS Helen's a bitch not a murderer.