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Old 29-06-2014, 19:08
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the more i see the "pen", the more it is obviously a dive. Cheating.

Yes, the mexican player should have not given Robben the opportunity to dive, but Holland have gone through by a blatant manipulation of the ref.

If it were England on the receiving end of that, the country would have been in uproar!
I don't blame Robben for going down easily. If the opportunity presents itself to win the game, then take it.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:09
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I don't blame Robben for going down easily. If the opportunity presents itself to win the game, then take it.
That attitude is what's wrong with football. I know I might appear naive, but I just hate that attitude.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:09
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was that fergie time for the new man U boss
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:10
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Who is this Van Huntelaar fella?
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:10
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the more i see the "pen", the more it is obviously a dive. Cheating.
Trouble is, we've seen a lot of clear penalties not given at this World Cup and clearly the school of thought which exists in world football is that two wrongs make a right and penalties won by diving will even up penalties you don't get from the referee missing legitimate fouls in the area.

Net result is that diving is and will continue to become a more prominent and frequent part of the game.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:10
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I don't think they deseved to win, but merited extra time.

Still, they didn't perform well, but won and that's what you need to do to win World Cups. I hate Robben but he makes things happen.
Mexico paid the price for sheer stupidity, its a shame because they've been great to watch. But, after they scored, you'd expect them to push on and the Dutch to wilt in the heat. Instead Holland took total control from that point onwards.

In the end, I think both teams got what they deserved, even if its harsh on Mexico and their fantastic keeper.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:10
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Think there is definitely something in that.
Beware the shadow....as a Dutchman lurks. I didn't want them to win, but thought they might.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:10
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I don't blame Robben for going down easily. If the opportunity presents itself to win the game, then take it.
Agree with this view, making the most of the situation is part of football, he was fouled.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:11
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I like the variety of a South American vs Europe duel.
Fair enough. Looks like the semis will both be South America vs Europe now.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:11
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In a way, Robben's antics are similar to what many say we lack in Europe and exists in South America following Suarez's disgrace - and that's guile, cunning, doing what it takes to win. Is it not a good sign that the Dutch seem to be bucking the trend? It's clear we don't have such a policy in England (or maybe it's more we choose to play the game by the rules).
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:12
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Mexico gave Robben far too many opportunities to attack them in the second half; everyone knows he falls over easily in the penalty area. No sympathy for them in the end, wrong tactics.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:12
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I can only assume the people moaning about the pen are focussed on Robben's exaggerated swallow dive. Ignore that and it's a clear pen, Robben beats Marquez then Marquez dives in and steps on Robben's foot.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:13
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I don't blame Robben for going down easily. If the opportunity presents itself to win the game, then take it.
Yep, the defender should never had been making such a reckless challenge in the first place.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:13
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Do I think it was a pen? Yes. Did Robben make the most of it? Yes. As someone said earlier in the thread probably the only example of a pen and a dive at the same time. Although 6 minutes was played 3 of that was for the cooling break so 3 minites added time is pretty normal.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:18
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Strange game, football. 4 months' ban (which I agree with) for repeated biting, but blatant diving or cheating, which directly affects the result in a big game, is "part of the game". How entirely predictable - and had the ref booked Robben after his first dive, he'd have thought twice about doing it again.
Mexico though just gave away far too much possession and lacked intelligence in the second half.
Just hope that Robben doesn't win the World Cup for Holland.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:21
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As a game, it had its moments, including some dodgy ones. One day dodgy moments will come back to haunt the players.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:21
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But they've got two extra days rest compared to half the quarter finalists and the lowest ranked opponents left in the draw.

That's a fair point but when you're not accustomed to these conditions, it can affect you for ages

(The lowest ranked team doesn't seem to mean a lot at this World Cup)
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:23
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Mexico got exactly what they deserved from that game - in almost complete control and take the lead only to camp at the edge of their box for the next 35 minutes.

Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but they virtually handed the momentum to Holland when they had absolutely none and that is a massive mistake that deserved to be punished.

You can only take your hat off to a very average Dutch team to win in that sort of heat I suppose ...
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:27
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Robben is the dirtiest player in the game and the standard by which all professional football bad guys are measured...What a legend you are Robben.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:27
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Strange game, football. 4 months' ban (which I agree with) for repeated biting, but blatant diving or cheating, which directly affects the result in a big game, is "part of the game". How entirely predictable - and had the ref booked Robben after his first dive, he'd have thought twice about doing it again.
Mexico though just gave away far too much possession and lacked intelligence in the second half.
Just hope that Robben doesn't win the World Cup for Holland.
I agree. I notice how the pundits in the studio seemed to just accept diving as okay.
Yet if it was against England it would be wrong.
Diving is cheating as far as I'm concerned and should be treated in the same way that a foul is so that players will think twice about it.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:28
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They should give Robben a Golden Snorkel
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:29
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Robben is the dirtiest player in the game and the standard by which all professional football bad guys are measured...What a legend you are Robben.
Damn right. I certainly can't think of anyone else who's done anything worse recently.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:29
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Mexico got exactly what they deserved from that game - in almost complete control and take the lead only to camp at the edge of their box for the next 35 minutes.

Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but they virtually handed the momentum to Holland when they had absolutely none and that is a massive mistake that deserved to be punished.

You can only take your hat off to a very average Dutch team to win in that sort of heat I suppose ...
...or on the other hand Holland played it perfectly, let the mexicans spend 70 minutes burnig themselves out then give the ball to Robben! I knew an equaliser was coming because of the amount of space they left, and we still had the legs to utilise it.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:29
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I wanted the Dutch to win, but not by diving their way to it. I'm of the opinion that if you theatrically dive, then it's no penalty. I didn't even think there was any contact bar Robben's intent to cause a touch. Still, Mexico were their own downfall, for their silly tactics after scoring.
To be fair to Robben he was fouled twice in the box in the first half and didn't get a penalty. Marquez was making too many rash challenges in the box and it was fairly obvious he was going to hand the chance for Robben to go down eventually ... you could blame Robben but the main culprit was Marquez continually lunging in imho.
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Old 29-06-2014, 19:31
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It's clear we don't have such a policy in England (or maybe it's more we choose to play the game by the rules).
I cannot have that.

England players did more than their fair share of diving at this tournament.
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