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the more i see the "pen", the more it is obviously a dive. Cheating.
Yes, the mexican player should have not given Robben the opportunity to dive, but Holland have gone through by a blatant manipulation of the ref. If it were England on the receiving end of that, the country would have been in uproar! |
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I don't blame Robben for going down easily. If the opportunity presents itself to win the game, then take it.
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was that fergie time for the new man U boss
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Who is this Van Huntelaar fella?
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the more i see the "pen", the more it is obviously a dive. Cheating.
Net result is that diving is and will continue to become a more prominent and frequent part of the game. |
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I don't think they deseved to win, but merited extra time.
Still, they didn't perform well, but won and that's what you need to do to win World Cups. I hate Robben but he makes things happen. In the end, I think both teams got what they deserved, even if its harsh on Mexico and their fantastic keeper. |
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Think there is definitely something in that.
I didn't want them to win, but thought they might.
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I don't blame Robben for going down easily. If the opportunity presents itself to win the game, then take it.
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I like the variety of a South American vs Europe duel.
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In a way, Robben's antics are similar to what many say we lack in Europe and exists in South America following Suarez's disgrace - and that's guile, cunning, doing what it takes to win. Is it not a good sign that the Dutch seem to be bucking the trend? It's clear we don't have such a policy in England (or maybe it's more we choose to play the game by the rules).
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Mexico gave Robben far too many opportunities to attack them in the second half; everyone knows he falls over easily in the penalty area. No sympathy for them in the end, wrong tactics.
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I can only assume the people moaning about the pen are focussed on Robben's exaggerated swallow dive. Ignore that and it's a clear pen, Robben beats Marquez then Marquez dives in and steps on Robben's foot.
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I don't blame Robben for going down easily. If the opportunity presents itself to win the game, then take it.
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Do I think it was a pen? Yes. Did Robben make the most of it? Yes. As someone said earlier in the thread probably the only example of a pen and a dive at the same time. Although 6 minutes was played 3 of that was for the cooling break so 3 minites added time is pretty normal.
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Strange game, football. 4 months' ban (which I agree with) for repeated biting, but blatant diving or cheating, which directly affects the result in a big game, is "part of the game". How entirely predictable - and had the ref booked Robben after his first dive, he'd have thought twice about doing it again.
Mexico though just gave away far too much possession and lacked intelligence in the second half. Just hope that Robben doesn't win the World Cup for Holland. |
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As a game, it had its moments, including some dodgy ones. One day dodgy moments will come back to haunt the players.
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But they've got two extra days rest compared to half the quarter finalists and the lowest ranked opponents left in the draw.
That's a fair point but when you're not accustomed to these conditions, it can affect you for ages (The lowest ranked team doesn't seem to mean a lot at this World Cup) |
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Mexico got exactly what they deserved from that game - in almost complete control and take the lead only to camp at the edge of their box for the next 35 minutes.
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but they virtually handed the momentum to Holland when they had absolutely none and that is a massive mistake that deserved to be punished. You can only take your hat off to a very average Dutch team to win in that sort of heat I suppose ... |
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Robben is the dirtiest player in the game and the standard by which all professional football bad guys are measured...What a legend you are Robben.
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Strange game, football. 4 months' ban (which I agree with) for repeated biting, but blatant diving or cheating, which directly affects the result in a big game, is "part of the game". How entirely predictable - and had the ref booked Robben after his first dive, he'd have thought twice about doing it again.
Mexico though just gave away far too much possession and lacked intelligence in the second half. Just hope that Robben doesn't win the World Cup for Holland. Yet if it was against England it would be wrong. Diving is cheating as far as I'm concerned and should be treated in the same way that a foul is so that players will think twice about it. |
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They should give Robben a Golden Snorkel
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Robben is the dirtiest player in the game and the standard by which all professional football bad guys are measured...What a legend you are Robben.
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Mexico got exactly what they deserved from that game - in almost complete control and take the lead only to camp at the edge of their box for the next 35 minutes.
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but they virtually handed the momentum to Holland when they had absolutely none and that is a massive mistake that deserved to be punished. You can only take your hat off to a very average Dutch team to win in that sort of heat I suppose ... |
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#424 |
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I wanted the Dutch to win, but not by diving their way to it. I'm of the opinion that if you theatrically dive, then it's no penalty. I didn't even think there was any contact bar Robben's intent to cause a touch. Still, Mexico were their own downfall, for their silly tactics after scoring.
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It's clear we don't have such a policy in England (or maybe it's more we choose to play the game by the rules).
England players did more than their fair share of diving at this tournament. |
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