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I suspect many football fans would welcome Robben being charged, after his confession - "I have to apologise. In the first half I took a dive." - with bringing the game into disrepute. Because Robben has admitted diving, this is one clear instance where interpretation - did he, didn't he - is removed. FIFA have a golden opportunity to make an example of Robben to put fear into the minds of all the other divers who stain the game and to make them think twice before they dive again. This is actually a much more serious issue for football than biting, which is a rare event carried out by inadequately socialised individuals.
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So it wasn't even a tactic by the manager.
I feel bad for him. the team had a great opportunity to really put the pressure on Holland but did the opposite. To be fair, they almost pulled it off. But it was tactical suicide, totally illogical. When they look back on that game and the chance they threw away, they will remember it for the rest of their days. |
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Yes, I was mystified by Mexico's tactics. The conditions were in their favour, The Netherlands looked a beaten team, and Mexico decide to put players behind the ball and hang on to a one goal lead for 40+ minutes. They went deeper and deeper, an equaliser looked inevitable.
To be fair, they almost pulled it off. But it was tactical suicide, totally illogical. When they look back on that game and the chance they threw away, they will remember it for the rest of their days. Mexico have been knocked out of the World Cup finals at the second round stage in all six editions since 1994; no team has been knocked out at this stage as often as this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28082629 |
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But he was genuinely fouled, twice before in this match and in the penalty box. Both missed by blind refereeing. So things kind of equaled out. Falling over easily is nowhere near what Maradonna did in '86, which was deliberate and blatant cheating.
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Robben is a cheat, he dives all the time, he should be sent home for admitting he cheated earlier in the game and then for cheating to get that late goal.
I feel for Mexico. |
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I wonder if FIFA could give Robben a yellow card now he has admitted diving - that would set an interesting precedent!
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I wonder if FIFA could give Robben a yellow card now he has admitted diving - that would set an interesting precedent!
While I have this aspect of the game and am annoyed that Robben does this repeatedly, I think that it can't be stamped out as long as refs don't punish this more. A yellow for the 1st offence will do the trick in most cases. To be fair, I also dislike the fact that players will point to the corner flag, or the goal mouth knowing 100% sure that the opposite is true. Sometimes refs will be influenced by this and the other team scores or doesn't get the opportunity to score through the corner they should have, should this be actioned in the same way? Anyway, I am absolutely delighted that my team's through, in spite of Robben's antics (which incidentally didn't result in any pens beng wrongly awarded). I certainly won't let that spoil ,y pleasure! |
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But he was genuinely fouled, twice before in this match and in the penalty box. Both missed by blind refereeing. So things kind of equaled out. Falling over easily is nowhere near what Maradonna did in '86, which was deliberate and blatant cheating.
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Can't really see what the fuss is about in this case - laws of the game: a free kick will be awarded if a player trips or attempts to trip an opponent.
It doesn't say anything about 'slight or minimal' contact there doesn't actually have to be any at all if, in the opinion of the referee, a player has tried to gain an unfair advantage. You can criticise players all you want for 'exaggerating' a tackle, but if its a foul its a foull. Moral of the story is don't dive in against players if you are not going to be anywhere near the ball, its not that difficult to remember. |
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Robben is lying. Of course he dived for the penalty as action replays confirmed. What he is doing is all psychological tactics. Admitting to diving, but not the actual penalty, thus making people think "oh well, for the one he did dive for, he didn't get the penalty. He got a penalty for a genuine foul"
Which makes you overlook the fact that he DIVED and got an UNFAIR penalty. And also made attempts to dive earlier. Ban this moron from the World Cup, in fact, ban the entire Dutch team from World Cup competition for ever more. Had enough of their thuggery, spitting (1990) and bulls*it. |
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Nah, bit much that.
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Bit of banter is fine, fun, but that is way over the top for me. Time to leave this thread.
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The problem for Robben is one day when the match *really* matters.. ie.. the final.. he might have a valid penalty claim dismissed due to his track record and admissions of diving. Then he'll feel a bit silly.
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The problem for Robben is one day when the match *really* matters.. ie.. the final.. he might have a valid penalty claim dismissed due to his track record and admissions of diving. Then he'll feel a bit silly.
i.e. the referee awards a free-kick but also but shows a card for the additional, unnecessary, simulation. I doubt it will ever happen but it may be a step in the right direction. |
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At least Robben admitted he went down too easily at some point in the first half (but not for the penalty). When you consider Suarez and his squad being in denial for the biting incident this admission is in my opinion refreshing.
Any pro player turned pundit would be completely lying if they haven't done the exact same thing hundreds of times and I am looking at you Alan Shearer and Danny Murphy. Incidentally has Shearer been paired with Neil Lennon this world cup as I seem to remember him kicking him in the head during a game.
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Robben comes from a long line of divers who continue to get away with it.
Remember, it wasn't long ago that the Premier League claimed it would be cracking down on "simulation", but still we see this week in, week out and only a handful of bookings. So if the PL are failing to take this seriously, what hope for the WC run by FIFA?. |
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Course not, the ref didn't give a pen, so would have been aware that there was a certain amount of diving/simulation. AFAIK, no retrospective action can be taken in cases like this.
While I have this aspect of the game and am annoyed that Robben does this repeatedly, I think that it can't be stamped out as long as refs don't punish this more. A yellow for the 1st offence will do the trick in most cases. To be fair, I also dislike the fact that players will point to the corner flag, or the goal mouth knowing 100% sure that the opposite is true. Sometimes refs will be influenced by this and the other team scores or doesn't get the opportunity to score through the corner they should have, should this be actioned in the same way? Anyway, I am absolutely delighted that my team's through, in spite of Robben's antics (which incidentally didn't result in any pens beng wrongly awarded). I certainly won't let that spoil ,y pleasure! Quote:
Fifa states it can "sanction those who violate the principles of fair play".
That section of article 57 of Fifa's regulations comes into play after Robben admitted his guilt. Meanwhile, article 77 gives Fifa's disciplinary committee responsibility for "sanctioning serious infringements which have escaped the match officials' attention" and "rectifying obvious errors in the referee's disciplinary decisions". In February, Fifa president Sepp Blatter called for retrospective action on players who dive, fake injuries and time waste. |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28089487
Fifa states it can "sanction those who violate the principles of fair play". That section of article 57 of Fifa's regulations comes into play after Robben admitted his guilt. Meanwhile, article 77 gives Fifa's disciplinary committee responsibility for "sanctioning serious infringements which have escaped the match officials' attention" and "rectifying obvious errors in the referee's disciplinary decisions". In February, Fifa president Sepp Blatter called for retrospective action on players who dive, fake injuries and time waste. So in short, let's all move on and let the refs and fifa do their job and hope that Holland wins! |
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That's what the Dutch FA say.
I don't speak Dutch so haven't translated it myself. The BBC put out the original statement saying he said he dived. I don't know if they had their own person translate it or something from a Dutch journalist or AP etc. |
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Ban this moron from the World Cup, in fact, ban the entire Dutch team from World Cup competition for ever more. Had enough of their thuggery, spitting (1990) and bulls*it.
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