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Soaps Moral Code no longer relevant?
I am fed up of bad boys and bad girls always having to have an comeuppance.
Tracey Barlow is currently the only woman to seemingly get away with her murder crime despite her brief sentence. I am loving Declan and Charity Macey's wrong doings and don't see why they should be caught at all... Carl King is a shining example of a brilliant character with stamina left in them. |
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You forgot Janine in EE...
Grace in Hollyoaks... |
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I like that they are starting to get away with their crimes cause in life people do do awful things and get away with it! Then you have people say 'karma' karma my ass! Bad people get away with bad things because they are ruthless and will do anything to survive which has been shown with Janine EE and so far Grace and Mercedes in HO.
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It's the death of drama for characters not to face the consequences of their actions. It also requires a huge suspension of disbelief. Take Tracy Barlow - her murder of Charlie Stubbs is hardly mentioned but in reality people would bring it up constantly, especially seeing as she lives in the same street she did it, alongside people who knew Charlie. Also, it doesn't seem to haunt her at all, it's as if she genuinely thinks she didn't do it because the verdict was overturned (which was nonsensical anyway). All of these stop me believing in the character and everything around her.
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I am fed up of bad boys and bad girls always having to have an comeuppance.
Tracey Barlow is currently the only woman to seemingly get away with her murder crime despite her brief sentence. I am loving Declan and Charity Macey's wrong doings and don't see why they should be caught at all... Carl King is a shining example of a brilliant character with stamina left in them. |
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Mercedes nearly always gets away with her crimes it depends on the character of I want to see them get a comuppance. I definitely want Grace in hollyoaks to get a comuppance but I don't want Mercedes to.
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Its never existed in the first place. Soaps have always been selective in who suffered from it.
Barry Grant murdered a baby, yes a baby! and never answered for his crime. Instead he some how managed to remain as one of Brookside's most popular characters. Its similar for Janine Butcher. She has killed 2 men and almost killed 2 more. Apart from a few short spells in prison she has never answered for her crimes and remains one of the EastEnders most popular characters because of it. |
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The worst one is Stacey. Ronnie, janine, Chrissie etc never meant to kill or killed in vague terms of self defence. There was ambiguity there (mostly). Stacey was cold blooded premeditated murder and she'll get off for it, serving about 6 months for deliberately killing someone.
That, in soap terms, is disgraceful. (At least for EE). |
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Its never existed in the first place. Soaps have always been selective in who suffered from it.
Barry Grant murdered a baby, yes a baby! and never answered for his crime. Instead he some how managed to remain as one of Brookside's most popular characters. Its similar for Janine Butcher. She has killed 2 men and almost killed 2 more. Apart from a few short spells in prison she has never answered for her crimes and remains one of the EastEnders most popular characters because of it. |
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A lot of it depends on the popularity of the character in question!
Case in point being Sienna in Hollyoaks, during her story last year she did some detestable things but because the actress and character is popular they have found ways to keep her out of jail and in the village |
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Barry Grant murdered a baby, yes a baby! and never answered for his crime. Instead he some how managed to remain as one of Brookside's most popular characters. |
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You forgot Janine in EE...
Grace in Hollyoaks... Janine Butcher has at least been to prison for periods of time but yes I agree... I don't think she will ever pay for... Killing Barry Evans Killing Michael Moon Killing Danielle Jones (accident I know but she was vile to Ronnie Mitchell afterwards) Alice Branning attempting to kill herself because of Janine's lies. Quote:
Cameron killed Carl King yonks ago!
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Its never existed in the first place. Soaps have always been selective in who suffered from it.
Barry Grant murdered a baby, yes a baby! and never answered for his crime. Instead he some how managed to remain as one of Brookside's most popular characters. Its similar for Janine Butcher. She has killed 2 men and almost killed 2 more. Apart from a few short spells in prison she has never answered for her crimes and remains one of the EastEnders most popular characters because of it. Quote:
A lot of it depends on the popularity of the character in question!
Case in point being Sienna in Hollyoaks, during her story last year she did some detestable things but because the actress and character is popular they have found ways to keep her out of jail and in the village |
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Because he was a legend, something the writers of EE could learn a thing or two from.
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But he was written out due to someone's ego rather then because the character had no where to go. The writers preferred Cain Dingle then to develop Carl as the best bad lad in the village.
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I agree and I know I'm not the only person who is still annoyed he was killed off. I wish they'd kept his son Thomas long term too - they got rid of him just as he was starting to develop.
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Because he was a legend, something the writers of EE could learn a thing or two from.
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I never understood this but why didn't viewers be in uproar like they were when Ronnie stole Tommy Moon?
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Because he was a legend, something the writers of EE could learn a thing or two from.
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Never heard of him... Can't be much of a legend.
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Why don't you pop in your TARDIS then, you might learn something.
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Why don't you pop in your TARDIS then, you might learn something.
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Disagree. At least with female characters EE always used to have women ambiguously kill so the viewer could never concretely say it was murder. Ever since Stacey cold bloodedly killed and paid no price, that ambiguity has lessoned.
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Never heard of him... Can't be much of a legend.
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You say Brookside and he is one character that certainly pops up in my head hence his return to the last ever episode. He made Phil Mitchell look like a school bully!
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Just because you've never heard of him doesn't mean that he's not much of a legend.
It's possible he simply slipped past my radar... It's also possible he is not that legendary. |
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This is true and Stacey killing Archie never sat right with me. Ronnie did kill Carl in a moment of anger but he was threatening rape so it could be argued it was self defence. Ronnie was mortified by killing Carl but then snapped out of it and disposed of his body in a manner that would blow any self defence case out of the water. It was similar with Chrissie. She never intended to kill Den. It was her actions after that put what she did in doubt.
Still annoys me. ( I agree though that Stacey being the killer wasn't right and in part for this reason. Alas she was made the killer and should be punished accordingly). With men it's a different ethic. But even here, save for nix cotton, the writers do try and paint the act in shades of grey. Phil not knowing about the tramp; Steve Owen acting (a bit like Chrissie) in a fit of pique (in fact the more I think about Steve Owen and Chrissie watts were very similar in the way they reacted short term and long term). Then jake shooting his brother to save grant, etc. EE usually doesn't do black and white murderers. Usually. |
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