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This Dutch team are far from special. Granted, they're better than England, but take out RVP and Robben and you're looking at a pretty ordinary bunch of players there, particularly at the back.
And I'm also pretty sure that van Gaal wouldn't say no to Hart or Cahill for his first XI either if he could use them. Why do people keep using this argument to defend England? You could say that about any team. Take away their best strikers and they're nothing. You could say that about England when they've had decent teams. Take away Lineker and England were nothing. The fact is that teams do have those sorts of players in the first place, that's what picking a team is all about. |
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Everything must reflect back to England because that's what our press are fixated on which is why they will constantly ask foreigners about their opinions on something which must be very far from their mind normally. I'd be more interested in hearing his opinions on his own team to be honest.
Personally I think if you take out Robben and RvP you still have a top international side. I'd replace them with Huntelaar and Delpay. Maybe not like for like but still top players. Goalie is ok. Vlaar is ok. Martens Indi is a top prospect and only going to get better. Ditto De Vrij. Janmaat and Blind are both top players I think. De Jong is a top player and a dying breed - a natural ball winner. De Guzman is decent if not quite at Strootman's level. Sneijder has been a superstar and might be on the way down but is still skillful. Robben and Van Persie are superstars. All the back-ups are good quality internationals. More importantly, they are playing well and winning as a team which is what it is all about, after all. Anyway, as the comment above says, you could say "take out him and him and that team isn't so special" about any team. A couple of individuals always stand above the others whether it's the Brazil 1970 team or the Runcorn reserves 1985 team. |
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This Dutch team are far from special. Granted, they're better than England, but take out RVP and Robben and you're looking at a pretty ordinary bunch of players there, particularly at the back.
And I'm also pretty sure that van Gaal wouldn't say no to Hart or Cahill for his first XI either if he could use them. |
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I don't get it- why just randomly attack the England squad? Most people know Holland are a better team. Very strange. Makes me think he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder.
And he said none as you might expect of a manager who supports hie team. He's hardly likely to go on record saying he'd get rid of so-and-so for Rooney or whoever is he? |
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The Dutch have constantly through the years out performed England.
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They're fortunate to have two great players in Robben and RVP carrying them.
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They're fortunate to have two great players in Robben and RVP carrying them.
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I wish England had had two great players carrying them. Or one.
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I wish England had had two great players carrying them. Or one.
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It probably all changed in 1970-71. Just as the great English side was coming to its end, the Dutch revolution was well under way with Feyenoord winning the 1970 European Cup.
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Which certain person?
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I might be wrong, but I would guess he was asked directly by an English journalist. I doubt he randomly just choose England to castigate.
DId anyone expect him to want England players in this odd, hypothetical squad?
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If people are getting wound up over this then they're going to be foaming at the mouth by the end of the next PL season with Van Gaal there.
And I for one can't wait
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Holland did well to beat Mexico, they looked dead and buried but never gave up. It says a lot that a player of the quality of Sneijder can pop up with a well taken goal and he`s hardly been mentioned. I think they are definite contenders as they are on a long unbeaten run (like Italy in 2006) and have quality players in the team. A nice mix of youth and experience. They had a dreadful Euros two years ago but that was a temporary blip.
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The arrogant Dutch were almost out of the World Cup today. Another Robben dive put them through. Based on that performance a few England players could stake their claim in that team.
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I don't get it- why just randomly attack the England squad? Most people know Holland are a better team. Very strange. Makes me think he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder.
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I don't understand why RvP came off early.
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If people are getting wound up over this then they're going to be foaming at the mouth by the end of the next PL season with Van Gaal there.
And I for one can't wait ![]()
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They have a winning mentality though. It would be very hard to imagine England overturning a 1-0 deficit against a good Mexican team at the end of a game and winning 2-1.
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And I'm also pretty sure that van Gaal wouldn't say no to Hart or Cahill for his first XI either if he could use them. |
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But you wouldn't take out those players, because those are the players who were available to be picked.
Why do people keep using this argument to defend England? You could say that about any team. Take away their best strikers and they're nothing. You could say that about England when they've had decent teams. Take away Lineker and England were nothing. The fact is that teams do have those sorts of players in the first place, that's what picking a team is all about. And at no point in my post did I use my point to defend England. Even without those two, they're still a better team than us. But it can't be denied that this is probably the weakest Dutch team in a good few years, particularly now the likes of van Bommel and van Bronckhorst aren't around anymore. It isn't good enough to seriously contend to win this tournament, unlike in previous years. 'Tis a shame that some people turn to pedantry to try and make a point though... |
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A win is a win. Doesn't matter if it was one player holding the team together or a dodgy referee decision. Holland have progressed further in the WC than England. Simple fact - one goal more than the other team equals a win.
I reckon a weaker Dutch team could still out perform an English team. |
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Of course he will have a vested interest in how the Man U players would get on..
For example would he try Rooney on the left given the backlash Hodgson got for it...not that Van Gaal would care what the press think. |
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Sorry, but to me, Cahill prove during this tournament, what I have always suspected. He is NOT an international class defender.
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. But it can't be denied that this is probably the weakest Dutch team in a good few years, particularly now the likes of van Bommel and van Bronckhorst aren't around anymore. It isn't good enough to seriously contend to win this tournament, unlike in previous years.
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Not sure why Cahill gets the hate, he was the only one of England's back four in this tournament that can actually defend.
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I don't hate him and only mentioned him because it was suggested he would get in the Dutch team. I have said since England qualified that Cahill, Jagielka, Baines and Johnson are not international class defenders IMO.
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DId anyone expect him to want England players in this odd, hypothetical squad?