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Quarter Final | Argentina v Belgium | 5 July | ITV 5pm KO |
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Brazil and Argentina going into defensive shells for large parts of their 2nd halves is annoying.
Don't really expect a quality final at this rate. |
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Not a great match and Belgium had their moments but expect them to fare better at the '16 Euros if they qualify. Argentina defend well but perhaps Robben (if The Netherlands beat Costa Rica) can cause them some problems.
Apart from the Brazil match last night, not been the greatest set of q/f/'s in a world cup. Hoping for a better game later on. |
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The goal average is now 2.69.
In 1994 it was 2.71, 1998 was 2.67, I don't remember either of those being known as the "tournament of goals goals goals" even though they had as many as this one. I do believe we live in a 24/7 media cycle with much more hype than ever. Sky declared 2013/14 the best premier league season ever, after they declared 2012/13 the best ever, 2011/12 the one before that. Every season is the best ever! ![]()
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wilmots should be sacked, he didn't come close to getting the best out of the talent in that belgium squad. his persistent selection of fellaini who has been consistently poor for them, and his wimbledon long ball tactics, are difficult to understand when you have the likes of witsel, dembele, defour, hazard, mertens, mirallas, de bruyne to pick from in midfield...
I don't think they got any joy in the game until they started pumping long balls into the box and they certainly weren't going to play themselves round that Argentina defensive unit. |
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What moments?
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I'm sure there was something about it in 1998. I myself thought there sure are a lot of goals in this WC.
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It's not all about goals though. Lots of matches finishing 5-0 would give you plenty goals but not much edge-of-the-seat stuff. Most of the last 16 and all the quarters so far have been close games. That what makes it better.
If they said, we've a lot of tight close games I wouldn't argue with them. The media are more influencial and powerful than ever, I think Sky's brilliant work of Froch vs Groves proves that. |
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I think people are getting mixed up with actual quality against entertainment and endeavour - the group stages and 50% of the knockout games have been decent with a few classics...
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Ive been watching World Cups since 1990 and without looking into it, I think this has been my 2nd fave behind France 98 which was soured somewhat with the whole Ronaldo business in the final.
We need a great Semi Final or Final to really cement this one into the memory I think |
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I know I get what you are saying but I'm questioning the medias role in overhyping absolutely everything we see. Calling it a tournament of goals goals goals every 5 seconds is a bit strange giving we've had as many goals in other WC's as if the whole thing is historic.
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If they said, we've a lot of tight close games I wouldn't argue with them. .
A tight, close game with a last-minute goal doesn't make a classic any more than lots of goals do.A perfect illustration of your point about hype can be seen in the effusive praise of Brazil v Colombia. On FiveLive, the likes of the excellent Chris Waddle, an aberration among English footballers of his era in having insight, intelligence (and unusual techinque and intelligence on the pitch as a player) rightly pointed out the game was a "joke", as opposed to the ITV and TalkSport commercially driven panels effusing about the so-called "great game that shows how this best ever World Cup just keeps the coming". |
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According to someone on twitter there was only 3 shots on target in this match, the lowest since 1990 WC final. No idea if that's true.
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The QF's have been very disappointing, France were poor, Columbia not up to their earlier performances and Belgium looked clueless until the final minutes. I expect tonights Hol/CR game to be one sided, hopefully I'll be wrong.
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I never do. When has there been a quality final since 1970? '74 was average, '78 was 6 out of 10, '82 was one of the worst games of the tournament if you ignore the fix of Austria v Germany, '86 was OK. '90 and '94 were abysmal, '98 was average, with Brazil choosing that moment to play by far their worst game of the entire tournament, 2002 was "meh". 2006 was reasonable - but even there the most memorable moment was a head-butt by Zidane - and 2010 resembled a UFC bout rather than a football match. It might be a bit tasty if it turns out to be Brazil/Argentina, but if you're not very naive you know who's going to win anyway.
Was the '70 final that good? I am too young to recall it and obviously I've seen just how good the football was that Brazil played that day but was it a 'classic'? On paper it seems like a one sided game. I realise I am probably being naive but was it just a great Brazil performance or a bona fide good final? |
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Cameroon beating the holders? The Germany-Holland game? As you say, the Semi-Final?...
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Was the '70 final that good? I am too young to recall it and obviously I've seen just how good the football was that Brazil played that day but was it a 'classic'? On paper it seems like a one sided game. I realise I am probably being naive but was it just a great Brazil performance or a bona fide good final?
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According to someone on twitter there was only 3 shots on target in this match, the lowest since 1990 WC final. No idea if that's true.
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I don't know, as '74 was the first one i was old enough to remember, but the fact that it had a performance and a team that are almosst universally considered the best ever must carry some weight in favour of it being described as a classic
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Belgiums golden generation looks on target to achieve the same as ours. Nowt.
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I normally consider football matches a classic based on the moment of madness more than how well the teams played.
Nothing has topped the WC match when Italy bursted into life against Germany in 2006 in those final 2 minutes. That second goal was just unbelieveable. |
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I normally consider football matches a classic based on the moment of madness more than how well the teams played.
Nothing has topped the WC match when Italy bursted into life against Germany in 2006 in those final 2 minutes. That second goal was just unbelieveable. |
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Belgiums golden generation looks on target to achieve the same as ours. Nowt.
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They hadn't qualified since 2002 so to get to the quarter-finals is an decent achievement
Blimey - saying that the footballing giants of Belgium just MIGHT end up being as useless as we are in the long-term puts everything in de[pressing perspective. |
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Belgium seemed overcome a bit with the occasions whilst Argentina after that early goal knew what they needed to do.
Bit like Germany v France. |
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