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Quarter Final | Holland v Costa Rica | 5 July | BBC1 9pm KO |
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I'm sure Moyes is a great bloke, but he was always hugely overrated by the media - particularly the ex-players on Match Of The Day. If you actually look at his record for half-a-second he was always a bizarre choice for a major Euaropean club. Just look at the Grand Canyon between the record of Moyes and Van Gaal. Moyes benefitted hugely from the ex-pros network - similar to the way O'Neill was never criticised for spending shedloads of Villa's money on duds.
If nothing else there won't be a single United player who will get away with crossing Van Gaal the way they did Moyes. Again a bit like Ferguson in that sense. |
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People may say bringing Krul on was just a lucky call by Van Gaal but it's one someone like David Moyes wouldn't have taken
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People may say bringing Krul on was just a lucky call by Van Gaal but it's one someone like David Moyes wouldn't have taken
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Krul was bigger so blocked more of the goal.
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It was the fact that if things went wrong (GK not making a single save) LVG would have looked ridiculously stupid.
Who else would risk their reputation like that?
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Got to agree with Rio Ferdinand, United fans will be buzzing with Van Gaal, a quality manager who seems to get the big decisions right, so different to David Moyes.
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I heard a bit of that (may have been on Talksport as well ? the guy was saying that they timed the time it took from the ref blowing for the kick to be taken to the taker taking the kick, the most successful teams tended to take longer, ie compsong themselves after the whistle is blown.
i think he said that England have one of the quickest "reaction" times to the whistle blown, ie not composing themselves... very interesting stuff. They compared England's reaction times from whistle to kicking the penalty, to Usain Bolt's reaction time from the pistol being fired to him leaving the blocks. It was not that far apart.
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Jens Lehmann once conceded a penalty and was then subbed for doing so and never got the chance to face the penalty!
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I fancied the Dutch before to win the tournament, but after not being able to score against Costa Rica for 120 mins, I think that at the moment they are playing the least well of the remaining four.
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People may say bringing Krul on was just a lucky call by Van Gaal but it's one someone like David Moyes wouldn't have taken
He isn't a "tactical genius", nor some naive bumpkin. I hope the media don't profess him as the former; point stands if he is such a genius why couldn't he devise a way to beat the weakest side left in the competition in 90 minutes, with superior players? |
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Yes I listened to that too.
They compared England's reaction times from whistle to kicking the penalty, to Usain Bolt's reaction time from the pistol being fired to him leaving the blocks. It was not that far apart. ![]() |
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I'd be excited if I were a Man United fan. Van Gaal ticks all the boxes - tactically astute, great record, known for good football, a reputation for taking no sh*t from prima donna players, good with young players and mentally as hard as nails.
It makes me wonder if Moyes was a deliberate stopgap, with the United Board knowing that Van Gaal would be tied up for a season. After all we now know that Mourinho was desperate for the job and was gutted not to get it. It would have been terrible for an anti-football merchant like Mourinho to take over at a club known for its attacking tradition, so even though I'm not a United fan by any means I wish Van Gaal well |
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No, it was obviously pre-planned. Van Gaal has shown his pragmatic side this tournament -- only reason why Holland have been effective.
He isn't a "tactical genius", nor some naive bumpkin. I hope the media don't profess him as the former; point stands if he is such a genius why couldn't he devise a way to beat the weakest side left in the competition in 90 minutes, with superior players? Oh don't get me wrong they have been very lucky in every game since the Spain one. |
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No, it was obviously pre-planned. Van Gaal has shown his pragmatic side this tournament -- only reason why Holland have been effective.
He isn't a "tactical genius", nor some naive bumpkin. I hope the media don't profess him as the former; point stands if he is such a genius why couldn't he devise a way to beat the weakest side left in the competition in 90 minutes, with superior players? |
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Anyway - stop Messi and you stop Argentina. Job for De Jong and one other, I think Holland will win.
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According to Shearer and Hansen it's fine ........ you do whatever you have to, even if it's gamesmanship.
They must condone diving too then. ![]() What is the game coming to? Exactly what I don't want to see, gamesmanship is similar to cheating and that surely is not what FIFA would call 'Fair Play'? ![]() |
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Maybe my imagination but I remember Batty and Ince doing that when they missed. Batty seemed very rushed.
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Maybe my imagination but I remember Batty and Ince doing that when they missed. Batty seemed very rushed.
Funnily enough Batty not taking enough time to compose himself is one of the examples quoted. |
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.....or even worse Carragher in 2006 who didn't even wait for the referee to blow his whistle and inevitably missed when he was made to do it properly...that was just plain unprofessional.
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I'd be excited if I were a Man United fan. Van Gaal ticks all the boxes - tactically astute, great record, known for good football, a reputation for taking no sh*t from prima donna players, good with young players and mentally as hard as nails.
It makes me wonder if Moyes was a deliberate stopgap, with the United Board knowing that Van Gaal would be tied up for a season. After all we now know that Mourinho was desperate for the job and was gutted not to get it. It would have been terrible for an anti-football merchant like Mourinho to take over at a club known for its attacking tradition, so even though I'm not a United fan by any means I wish Van Gaal well |
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Can't we even have a World Cup thread about a game between The Netherlands and Costa Rica without someone posting that tired load of old bollocks ?
I guess you're one of those fawning "Special One" hero-worshippers who believes that parking nine men behind the ball and winning due to a howling mistake by the opposition is a sign of tactical genius. "Blue" must signify a Chelsea fan. |
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Would have been hard on Netherlands if they lost this game. They pressed a lot against a defensively astute Costa Rica.
I wonder if other sides will take note of the tactics used to suppress Robben. It was for me the least influential I had seen of him in this tournament. |
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Louis Van Gaal the man who saved holland from being kicked out of the world cup. Genius.
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I fancied the Dutch before to win the tournament, but after not being able to score against Costa Rica for 120 mins, I think that at the moment they are playing the least well of the remaining four.
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I speak the truth. Touched a nerve have I?
I guess you're one of those fawning "Special One" hero-worshippers who believes that parking nine men behind the ball and winning due to a howling mistake by the opposition is a sign of tactical genius. "Blue" must signify a Chelsea fan. It's the term "anti-football" that perhaps touched a nerve, along with the usual "parking the bus" nonsense that is so loved by the tabloids and ignorant phone-in programmes. |
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