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Quarter Final | Holland v Costa Rica | 5 July | BBC1 9pm KO |
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Murphy needs to drop his Robben obsession.
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Yes, I'm a Chelsea fan..well spotted. But I'm also not so prejudiced that I can't recognise someone who has reached the top of their profession. Mourinho is one of the finest managers currently operating in the game, his record speaks for itself.
It's the term "anti-football" that perhaps touched a nerve, along with the usual "parking the bus" nonsense that is so loved by the tabloids and ignorant phone-in programmes. |
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No, it was obviously pre-planned. Van Gaal has shown his pragmatic side this tournament -- only reason why Holland have been effective.
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He isn't a "tactical genius", nor some naive bumpkin. I hope the media don't profess him as the former; point stands if he is such a genius why couldn't he devise a way to beat the weakest side left in the competition in 90 minutes, with superior players?
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Yes, I'm a Chelsea fan..well spotted. But I'm also not so prejudiced that I can't recognise someone who has reached the top of their profession. Mourinho is one of the finest managers currently operating in the game, his record speaks for itself.
It's the term "anti-football" that perhaps touched a nerve, along with the usual "parking the bus" nonsense that is so loved by the tabloids and ignorant phone-in programmes. |
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Yes, I'm a Chelsea fan..well spotted. But I'm also not so prejudiced that I can't recognise someone who has reached the top of their profession. Mourinho is one of the finest managers currently operating in the game, his record speaks for itself.
It's the term "anti-football" that perhaps touched a nerve, along with the usual "parking the bus" nonsense that is so loved by the tabloids and ignorant phone-in programmes. He's always gone to clubs where the odds were stacked in his favour and there was already a foundation for success - IIRC he's only ever improved a club's position by one or two places since he began his managerial career. Mancini was 1'000% correct to point out that Mourinho succeeded on the back of his work at Inter. The only two occasions he didn't have a massive competitive advantage over his main rival or rivals - at Real and his second spell at Chelsea - he's failed. He was extraordinarily lucky to win both his Champions League titles. Critical decisions went incorrectly in his favour - for example against Manchester United in his first winning campaign and against Barcelona in his second. In his win with Porto he was doubly lucky in that an excellent Milan side had one of those bizarre days and surrendered a 4-0 aggregate lead to Deportivo, allowing Mourinho to face a relatively weak team in the Semis. As for the final - well Monaco were simply appalling. The idea that the media are against Mourinho is ridiculous. He gets such an easy ride here it's untrue - ridiculous documentaries, fawning over his "Special One" self-promoting antics and so on. The media in Spain and Italy - not to mention the public - are far less sucked in by the myth than they are here. On top of all that is his odious behaviour - egotistical self-promotion, slagging off the St. John's ambulance Brigade and physically attacking an opposition coach to name but three examples. If I never see him duping the gullible with ostentatious note-taking on the sidelines to make himself look like Rinus Michels again it'll be too soon. Anyway this is way off - topic, so I'll leave this for another time and another thread. |
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Both Brazil and Costa Rica play a form of 'anti-football', but because the former did something great 40 years ago, and the latter are plucky underdogs from a poor country, that seems to be okay by everyone.
Costa Rica haven't consistently parked the bus - they've played some good football earlier on, but I'm certainly glad we won't see any more of the tactics we saw tonight. |
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People may say bringing Krul on was just a lucky call by Van Gaal but it's one someone like David Moyes wouldn't have taken
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No, it was obviously pre-planned. Van Gaal has shown his pragmatic side this tournament -- only reason why Holland have been effective.
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He isn't a "tactical genius", nor some naive bumpkin. I hope the media don't profess him as the former; point stands if he is such a genius why couldn't he devise a way to beat the weakest side left in the competition in 90 minutes, with superior players?
Or did Costa Rica only concede one (penalty) goal in regular time? Which one is it?As a Dutchman, this thread is a right laugh. Cav is sending his best regards, by the way
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Holland must win a game on penalties soon, law of averages!!
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Tim Krul, what a ****.
Ref should have booked him for his silly bugger mind games straight away. Hope the Dutch lose in the SF just for that. |
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Krul should have been carded.
I guess now it's ok for a keeper to shout and scream in a penalty takers face just before the kick is taken. Awful awful sportsmanship and I now hope the Netherlands and Newcastle lose every game he plays in. |
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With 1 min left, how did he know the ball would go out of play to bring a sub on?
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With 1 min left, how did he know the ball would go out of play to bring a sub on?
It worked (like the bad sportsmanship) so the Dutch won't care. Good penalties by them but great effort by Costa Rica again. |
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Mourinho has never succeeded in his entire career without obliterating the opposition with money and/or having an existing squad of expensive talent at his disposal from day one - the epitome of the chequebook manager. He has never turned a club around from the doldrums and built anything or brought through untried youth to any degree - it's all about him and not the future of the club. He's destroyed good players more often than he's coached rough diamonds to be stars.
He's always gone to clubs where the odds were stacked in his favour and there was already a foundation for success - IIRC he's only ever improved a club's position by one or two places since he began his managerial career. Mancini was 1'000% correct to point out that Mourinho succeeded on the back of his work at Inter. The only two occasions he didn't have a massive competitive advantage over his main rival or rivals - at Real and his second spell at Chelsea - he's failed. He was extraordinarily lucky to win both his Champions League titles. Critical decisions went incorrectly in his favour - for example against Manchester United in his first winning campaign and against Barcelona in his second. In his win with Porto he was doubly lucky in that an excellent Milan side had one of those bizarre days and surrendered a 4-0 aggregate lead to Deportivo, allowing Mourinho to face a relatively weak team in the Semis. As for the final - well Monaco were simply appalling. The idea that the media are against Mourinho is ridiculous. He gets such an easy ride here it's untrue - ridiculous documentaries, fawning over his "Special One" self-promoting antics and so on. The media in Spain and Italy - not to mention the public - are far less sucked in by the myth than they are here. On top of all that is his odious behaviour - egotistical self-promotion, slagging off the St. John's ambulance Brigade and physically attacking an opposition coach to name but three examples. If I never see him duping the gullible with ostentatious note-taking on the sidelines to make himself look like Rinus Michels again it'll be too soon. Anyway this is way off - topic, so I'll leave this for another time and another thread. I don't think he had a fortune to spend at Porto ? After that he was at big clubs with plenty of money, that's just the way of modern managerial game. What was he supposed to do, look around for offers from struggling clubs ? It's also a bit rich to quote Mancini. He blew his chances with the wealthiest club in the PL because of his dreadful man-management skills. Of course, he now claims to have been "betrayed" and wants to to take credit for "building" Man City into the team they are today. He seems like a guy with a chip on both shoulders. Anyway, as you say, it's off-topic. Perhaps we'll continue this discussion at some other time. |
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Hoped to get lucky I guess!
It worked (like the bad sportsmanship) so the Dutch won't care. Good penalties by them but great effort by Costa Rica again. What would have been funny was if Krul had conceded in those few seconds. |
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Krul should have been carded.
I guess now it's ok for a keeper to shout and scream in a penalty takers face just before the kick is taken. Awful awful sportsmanship and I now hope the Netherlands and Newcastle lose every game he plays in. |
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Krul should have been carded.
I guess now it's ok for a keeper to shout and scream in a penalty takers face just before the kick is taken. Awful awful sportsmanship and I now hope the Netherlands and Newcastle lose every game he plays in. I would say that the reason England will never achieve in either the EC or WC is because we don't have that win at all costs mentality. |
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Loving all the faux outrage on display. Won't somebody please think of the children?
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Oh get down off that soapbox, it's not as if we haven't seen it before many many times. If it were England now through to a WC semi-final, all people would be saying is that the result is all that counts.
I would say that the reason England will never achieve in either the EC or WC is because we don't have that win at all costs mentality. It soured the moment in my opinion. Krul will doubtless be a hero to many, but his sense of sportmanship stinks as far as I'm concerned. |
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Krul should have been carded.
I guess now it's ok for a keeper to shout and scream in a penalty takers face just before the kick is taken. Awful awful sportsmanship and I now hope the Netherlands and Newcastle lose every game he plays in. The ref could have booked him, |
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Should Lehmann have been carded for his mental games during penalties (the note trick
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Should Lehmann have been carded for his mental games during penalties (the note trick
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I get penalties are mind games, but players should respect the limits when gamesmanship moves to bad sportsman ship.
The ref should have carded krul the first time he did this. Yes, keepers are allowed to dance across their line without coming off the line. I find that acceptable. What is not acceptable is shouting and screaming obscenities in the kickers face prior to the kick. This is not an over-reaction, it is a simple statement of fact. Its unsporting behavior and should have earned a yellow. |
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What is not acceptable is shouting and screaming obscenities in the kickers face prior to the kick.
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I am glad LVG is coming to United soon. We need some balls.
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