Well, I have certainly got my wish for at least one memorable match, but I never thought it would be anything like this. This is a match to which those who saw it will refer for many world cups to come.
Salut Germany!
Salut Germany!
Semi Final: Brazil v Germany 08/04 9pm KO
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Originally Posted by celesti:
“Is this like porn for you or something?”
“Is this like porn for you or something?”
Please don't quote his drivel, it defeats the objective of the ignore function.
Originally Posted by celesti:
“Is this like porn for you or something?”
“Is this like porn for you or something?”
basdfg has done nothing but wish riots on this WC, rather than talk about the football on show....
Originally Posted by carnivalist:
“I'm so glad.
As I've said before I'm a huge Brazilophile - I love the food, the culture, I collect the music and like most people of my age have grown up loving the great teams of the past.
However IMO this is the culmination of a process of Brazilian football abandoning their footballing heritage years ago in a misguided attempt to copy others. It really used to annoy me how every World Cup we had boneheaded commentators creaming themselves about "Samba football" when in fact Brazil weren't playing anything of the sort. On the contrary they played a pragmatic, muscular functional style, which was disguised a little by the number of quality players they've been able to produce,
A couple of years ago Santos were absolutely massacred by a Messi-inspired Barcelona. It was shown on TV here and it was the first time I saw Neymar play - only I didn't see him play because he genuinely almost never touched the ball. After the game I had no idea what sort of player he was, or even what his favoured foot was, thanks to Barcelona's nearly eighty per cent possession.
According to what the excellent Tim Vickery on BBC's Five Live's legendary World Football phone-in said the following week, that result and the manner in which Barcelona played was beginning to lead to a few dissenting voices raising their head above the parapet about the direction Brazilian football had taken ever since the ethos behind the great side of '82 was rejected following the trauma of the loss against Italy.
Hopefully today's painful lesson is another step on the road to Brazil returning to the football that was a thing of beauty to anyone wh was privileged to watch it and which most people under the age of forty have never really seen live, despite the lazy garbage talked about Samba football every time we see Brazil in a World Cup. The sides of 94, 98 and 2002 were built on functional, tough, athletic style where the defensive midfielders were the linchpins, with quality players disguising the fact that the ethos was not all that attractive at it's core.
I hope Germany did the football world a favour today.”
“I'm so glad.
As I've said before I'm a huge Brazilophile - I love the food, the culture, I collect the music and like most people of my age have grown up loving the great teams of the past.
However IMO this is the culmination of a process of Brazilian football abandoning their footballing heritage years ago in a misguided attempt to copy others. It really used to annoy me how every World Cup we had boneheaded commentators creaming themselves about "Samba football" when in fact Brazil weren't playing anything of the sort. On the contrary they played a pragmatic, muscular functional style, which was disguised a little by the number of quality players they've been able to produce,
A couple of years ago Santos were absolutely massacred by a Messi-inspired Barcelona. It was shown on TV here and it was the first time I saw Neymar play - only I didn't see him play because he genuinely almost never touched the ball. After the game I had no idea what sort of player he was, or even what his favoured foot was, thanks to Barcelona's nearly eighty per cent possession.
According to what the excellent Tim Vickery on BBC's Five Live's legendary World Football phone-in said the following week, that result and the manner in which Barcelona played was beginning to lead to a few dissenting voices raising their head above the parapet about the direction Brazilian football had taken ever since the ethos behind the great side of '82 was rejected following the trauma of the loss against Italy.
Hopefully today's painful lesson is another step on the road to Brazil returning to the football that was a thing of beauty to anyone wh was privileged to watch it and which most people under the age of forty have never really seen live, despite the lazy garbage talked about Samba football every time we see Brazil in a World Cup. The sides of 94, 98 and 2002 were built on functional, tough, athletic style where the defensive midfielders were the linchpins, with quality players disguising the fact that the ethos was not all that attractive at it's core.
I hope Germany did the football world a favour today.”
Well said
Originally Posted by NiteOwl12:
“Well, I have certainly got my wish for at least one memorable match, but I never thought it would be anything like this. This is a match to which those who saw it will refer for many world cups to come.
Salut Germany!”
“Well, I have certainly got my wish for at least one memorable match, but I never thought it would be anything like this. This is a match to which those who saw it will refer for many world cups to come.
Salut Germany!”
The only disappointment was that Brazil scored at all.
Originally Posted by carnivalist:
“I'm so glad.
As I've said before I'm a huge Brazilophile - I love the food, the culture, I collect the music and like most people of my age have grown up loving the great teams of the past.
However IMO this is the culmination of a process of Brazilian football abandoning their footballing heritage years ago in a misguided attempt to copy others. It really used to annoy me how every World Cup we had boneheaded commentators creaming themselves about "Samba football" when in fact Brazil weren't playing anything of the sort. On the contrary they played a pragmatic, muscular functional style, which was disguised a little by the number of quality players they've been able to produce,
A few years ago Santos were absolutely massacred by a Messi-inspired Barcelona. It was shown on TV here and it was the first time I saw Neymar play - only I didn't see him play because he genuinely almost never touched the ball. After the game I had no idea what sort of player he was, or even what his favoured foot was, thanks to Barcelona's nearly eighty per cent possession.
According to the excellent Tim Vickery on BBC's Five Live's legendary World Football phone-in, that result and the manner in which Barcelona played was beginning to lead to a few dissenting voices raising their head above the parapet about the direction Brazilian football had taken ever since the ethos behind the great side of '82 was rejected following the trauma of the loss against Italy.
Hopefully today's painful lesson is another step on the road to Brazil returning to the football that was a thing of beauty to anyone wh was privileged to watch it and which most people under the age of forty have never really seen live, despite the lazy garbage talked about Samba football every time we see Brazil in a World Cup. The sides of 94, 98 and 2002 were built on functional, tough, athletic style where the defensive midfielders were the linchpins, with quality players disguising the fact that the ethos was not all that attractive at it's core.
I hope Germany did the football world a favour today.”
“I'm so glad.
As I've said before I'm a huge Brazilophile - I love the food, the culture, I collect the music and like most people of my age have grown up loving the great teams of the past.
However IMO this is the culmination of a process of Brazilian football abandoning their footballing heritage years ago in a misguided attempt to copy others. It really used to annoy me how every World Cup we had boneheaded commentators creaming themselves about "Samba football" when in fact Brazil weren't playing anything of the sort. On the contrary they played a pragmatic, muscular functional style, which was disguised a little by the number of quality players they've been able to produce,
A few years ago Santos were absolutely massacred by a Messi-inspired Barcelona. It was shown on TV here and it was the first time I saw Neymar play - only I didn't see him play because he genuinely almost never touched the ball. After the game I had no idea what sort of player he was, or even what his favoured foot was, thanks to Barcelona's nearly eighty per cent possession.
According to the excellent Tim Vickery on BBC's Five Live's legendary World Football phone-in, that result and the manner in which Barcelona played was beginning to lead to a few dissenting voices raising their head above the parapet about the direction Brazilian football had taken ever since the ethos behind the great side of '82 was rejected following the trauma of the loss against Italy.
Hopefully today's painful lesson is another step on the road to Brazil returning to the football that was a thing of beauty to anyone wh was privileged to watch it and which most people under the age of forty have never really seen live, despite the lazy garbage talked about Samba football every time we see Brazil in a World Cup. The sides of 94, 98 and 2002 were built on functional, tough, athletic style where the defensive midfielders were the linchpins, with quality players disguising the fact that the ethos was not all that attractive at it's core.
I hope Germany did the football world a favour today.”
A squad of Brazil based players would have done better. Too many European based players that have had the flair trained out of them and a coach obsessed with playing like European teams has killed Brazilian football. A result like today was inevitable and most Brazilian fans knew it all along and were never happy with this squad anyway..
I wonder if Klose will start the match on Sunday or be a super sub and come on later unless they down by the winning school they got tonight.
Originally Posted by NiteOwl12:
“BBC TV commentators inconsolable that they have backed the wrong team, have been promoting drivel. Rio wondering how he ended up in a studio with clowns.”
“BBC TV commentators inconsolable that they have backed the wrong team, have been promoting drivel. Rio wondering how he ended up in a studio with clowns.”
I've been surprisingly impressed with Rio on the BBC panel throughout this World Cup. Very insightful and talks a lot of sense
It may give Brazil the biggest kick up the a*** they need to try and get back to something like their past form but don't think this will be forgiven for a very long time
Originally Posted by dodger0703:
“anyone who comes on and says they won money on guessing the result is a lying ****”
“anyone who comes on and says they won money on guessing the result is a lying ****”
I won £300 on Germany to qualify.
Originally Posted by basdfg:
“All German fans are still in stadium as they have to wait to be escorted out. Riots are trending on twitter btw.”
“All German fans are still in stadium as they have to wait to be escorted out. Riots are trending on twitter btw.”
Wouldn't that be because you've tweeted it a million times?
Germany have to win the thing now otherwise great result as this is, it will soon be forgotten if they don't lift the trophy on Sunday.
Originally Posted by celesti:
“Is this like porn for you or something?”
“Is this like porn for you or something?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXOzJEvloX4
Originally Posted by Bosox:
“Please don't quote his drivel, it defeats the objective of the ignore function.”
“Please don't quote his drivel, it defeats the objective of the ignore function.”
Thanks for reminding me of that function - it is so many years since I used it, I had completely forgotten about it.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Wouldn't that be because you've tweeted it a million times?”
“Wouldn't that be because you've tweeted it a million times?”
I haven't tweeted it once(have retweeted a couple of tweets but avoided the ones with the picture from last year.)
Originally Posted by Skyclaw726:
“All the hate he gets just annoys me because it's not deserved it's not like the man ****s everything up he makes mistakes like every player does Kroos messed up a couple of passes and nothing was said.”
“All the hate he gets just annoys me because it's not deserved it's not like the man ****s everything up he makes mistakes like every player does Kroos messed up a couple of passes and nothing was said.”
He's an excellent player and was very unselfish to pull the ball back for Khedira's goal. I think he gets lots on unfair stick too but most people here were simply joking I'm sure.
Originally Posted by kutox:
“I've been surprisingly impressed with Rio on the BBC panel throughout this World Cup. Very insightful and talks a lot of sense”
“I've been surprisingly impressed with Rio on the BBC panel throughout this World Cup. Very insightful and talks a lot of sense”
Rio has been much better than i expected also, i think he could have a good career in the media once his footballing career is over unless he decides to go into management. Still i think Rio has always been confident in front of the camera so maybe it is no surprise he is coming across as a good pundit.
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“The only disappointment was that Brazil scored at all.”
“The only disappointment was that Brazil scored at all.”
Ozil messing up just before to add to the misery.
Originally Posted by basdfg:
“I haven't tweeted it once(have retweeted a couple of tweets but avoided the ones with the picture from last year.)”
“I haven't tweeted it once(have retweeted a couple of tweets but avoided the ones with the picture from last year.)”
It'll be 'trending' because of all the goons shouting LOL BET THERES RIOTS IN BRAZIL NOW LOL
Originally Posted by feckit:
“Were the Germans that good or was Brazil really, really bad?”
“Were the Germans that good or was Brazil really, really bad?”
The goals made by the Germans were easy ones, while the Brazilians were bad at defending. It was an unequal match, but it might not be if Germany plays Holland.
Now that is how you play football!
Absolutely stunning performance from Germany. I've said from day one that this is the worst Brazil team I've ever seen, but it still takes something truly amazing to humiliate them on that level when they are hosts of the World Cup.
The Germans were outstanding and the unselfish passing and team ethic was a joy to watch as those goals rained in.
I do feel a lot of sympathy for the Brazilian fans though. They've been great throughout the tournament and didn't deserve that. Their team played like a Sunday league side at times in the first half. I can't even begin to imagine how they feel right now.
The tournament had gone a bit flat after some forgettable quarter final matches, but that sure as hell brought it back to life! We've just witnessed real history and something we'll probably never see again.
Absolutely stunning performance from Germany. I've said from day one that this is the worst Brazil team I've ever seen, but it still takes something truly amazing to humiliate them on that level when they are hosts of the World Cup.
The Germans were outstanding and the unselfish passing and team ethic was a joy to watch as those goals rained in.
I do feel a lot of sympathy for the Brazilian fans though. They've been great throughout the tournament and didn't deserve that. Their team played like a Sunday league side at times in the first half. I can't even begin to imagine how they feel right now.
The tournament had gone a bit flat after some forgettable quarter final matches, but that sure as hell brought it back to life! We've just witnessed real history and something we'll probably never see again.
Football is a fickle beast. Spain were the best team of the last eight years, an amazing team (one of the best of all time) but poor in this WC. It's possible Germany will go on to win the WC and score loads more goals in the final but flop in the next WC. It's possible.
Brazil will be great again because they've won five WCs - the best ever national team in WC history. They can win a sixth. England can win seven, though.
Brazil will be great again because they've won five WCs - the best ever national team in WC history. They can win a sixth. England can win seven, though.
Originally Posted by clandestiny:
“A squad of Brazil based players would have done better. Too many European based players that have had the flair trained out of them and a coach obsessed with playing like European teams has killed Brazilian football. A result like today was inevitable and most Brazilian fans knew it all along and were never happy with this squad anyway..”
“A squad of Brazil based players would have done better. Too many European based players that have had the flair trained out of them and a coach obsessed with playing like European teams has killed Brazilian football. A result like today was inevitable and most Brazilian fans knew it all along and were never happy with this squad anyway..”
It s the ethos in Brazil that;s the problem. Coaches and teams in Brazil have no more time for the beautiful game than players and coaches based in Europe do - the whole thing of "jogo bonito" died when Rossi latched on to Toninho Cerezo's howler and put Brazil out of '82.
Unfortunately it still lives on in the mouths and pens of English pundits and journalists, who seem oblivious to the facts on the ground. in Brazil pragmatism - muscle, tactical fouling and athleticism etc - is king. Did you see the Santos team I referred to? Apart from Neymar, they were largely a bunch of muscular Tough mofos - the rise of a player like Hulk is not an accident, The death of jogo bonito has little to do with Brazilians playing in Europe per se - the fact that they go so early doesn't help though. Scolari is far from unique in Brazil - Parreira was even worse in terms of functional football and sadly he won the World Cup. That was a poisoned chalice for Brazilian football.
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