But you really, I mean REALLY dislike Ashleigh, judging by your comments on this forum, so, did that not play a part in your voting strategy

You're not alone!

I'm not sure 'jealous male voters' is a slice of the demographic the BB producers worry too much about.

'How can the show appeal more to jealous male voters?' doesn't seem like a question that's raised too often, during their sinister retreats.

BIB I think he did that as a strategy to remind the viewers. He knew Helen is unpopular and figured a bit more bitching about her would keep him in.

Unfortunately his delivery comes across as 'queen bitch' and that didn't do him any favours on top of his arrogant manner.

I think he came across as a cold fish with a superiority complex. Won't be missing him at all.

Let me say right up front I am not a fan of Ashleigh. But I really don't understand is the absolute over the top hatred of Ashleigh. To hate her so much that so many would ignore the chance to get Ash out (and therefore indirectly a dig to Helen)---given that Ashleigh has been a witch for a much shorter time span than Helen has; add to that Ash's negative presence in that house; add to that that Helen can't be evicted so why not stick as much to her as we can while we can----all despite so many claiming that one of the most disliked housemate (via polls) is Helen AND Ash. Why would people lie in doing the polls? Why would they do that??? The whole thing does not add up!!!!!

Sure Ashliegh hatched an evil plan. All she did was want Ash up for eviction. I don't get how that is evil. Yes--she's been bitchy and sour faced but that's kind of the norm for BB. Ashleigh didn't bitch all by herself. Danielle was usually there bitching right along with her. Danielle's not hated.

Bottom line---I just don't understand the extreme hatred of Ashleigh to the reward of Helen---as the OP says.

Well, it's all over now. As someone else said: I guess we'll just never know.

BIB

IMO it's because, even in this post, you have been selective in your overview of Ashleigh.

Not having a go, but you haven't even considered the effect of her being stuck to Toya like a limpet (and the bitching with Toya) for well over a week.

Also the way she has turned on Helen when they did get on originally, and so far, nobody has come up with a reasonable reason why.

Also she was one of Pauline's admirers.

Putting the dislike down to just the last week, well one could say Helen should have all her past transgressions forgotten as well.

Yeah--I haven't really focused on Ashleigh and I am still really amazed at how quickly Ashleigh went from a housemate that we almost never heard from to the Ashliegh that followed right after Toya whispered in her ear just before leaving. As far as past transgressions--for some reason I don't see Ashleigh's past behavior in the same light as I see Hellen's---i.e. I hardly noticed Ashleigh's evil personna and wouldn't have even thought it was a big deal other than the tirade on the forum; where I will never forget Hellen's. Why? I don't know. Some how Hellen has got right to my gut feeling where Ashleigh just flew right over my head. Interesting.

The tirade on the forum started when Ashleigh started to rise up the favourites board, coincidence, I think not.

That's the most honest thing said about the whole show and the way it's panned out.

My daughter and I watch and Helen to us is water off a duck's back, would stand toe to toe and shout back without breaking sweat.

Ashleigh though, have hated her since the bitching started, noticed the way it went from group to group, HM to HM, she literally has bitched the whole time.

But the killer point for me is her comments about the pool party and the comments about what female HM are wearing.
Can't stand women who do that.

In other words, it's what as viewers individually we dislike or can tolerate more.

Because believe it or not there's some people like myself who are supporting Helen

What does 'people buy the edit' mean?

Do only the people who vote the way you don't like 'buy the edit'?

Do you not 'buy the edit' when you decide who you like or who you want to vote out?

I think the main reasons for Matthew’s eviction were as follows:

(1) Ash had a better week and thus some of the antipathy towards him had probably subsided. He thus probably got less votes to evict this week than he did when up against Toya last week.

(2) A lot of people probably assumed Ash would be evicted (I know I did) and that there was no need for them to vote to evict him since many others would do so anyway. By contrast, those wanting to evict Matthew or save Ash would be more likely to feel that every vote counted and that it was imperative they voted.

(3) Many quite simply disliked Matthew enough to vote him out. Possibly seeing him as being snobbish and elitist.

(4) Ashleigh’s spiteful attitude put off some enough to either (a) not bothering whether Ash was evicted or not, or (b) even voting to evict Matthew just to spite her. This may not have been as big a contributory factor as the first three, but in a close vote it may have been enough to be decisive.

I for one, have never looked at 'the favourites board'. Where is it?

I would think it far more likely that the anti Ashleigh posts are peoples honest reactions to the way she has been acting in the house. Why bring some conspiracy or other into this, she acted and people on here re-acted.

It aint rocket science.

People bought the edit because Ashleigh gave them the material. It was Matthew's birthday celebration and almost half the house could not take part, yet she was the one to bring on the bitchy comments.

In one week, we heard her bash almost everyone in the house.

Spot on.

People will always look for something that isn't there just to comprehend why other viewers/voters might have the temerity not the like the same HM as them.

I'm the same as you, I only started to dislike Ashleigh when she came out of the shadows & started doing her Statler & Waldorf impression with Danielle.

Prior to that, I didn't really have an opinion on her

well she went to rise up the favourites when she became more noticed trouble is when you become more noticed not only do some people begin to like you more but others begin to dislike you more

Sorry I meant the favourites poll.

It is my opinion that is what happened, rocket science or not.

People get to dislike you more because you become a threat to their favourite. It happens on here all the time so why should it be different this time.

Not necessarily when a background HM becomes more to the front you get to see more of their personality and some like that personality and others do not.

If it was about becoming a threat to their favourite how come she has replaced some peoples favourites as by that theory everybody should hate her for becoming a threat.

Chris is the firm favourite his fans should hate her the most of all

Thanks for this. I think I get it now. Dealing with Helen for some is, as you say, "water off a duck's back." For some (like me) I am absolutely horrified by Helen. Honestly----I have never know someone like her. Just been lucky I guess. But the light bulb finally went on. Very insightful on your part.

I am one of three sisters and we are rather volatile.

Take out the swearing and Helen's insults are quite pathetic in comparison to when my two sisters let rip. Being the youngest by quite a few years meant I probably escaped the worst.

But when it blows, OMG, nothing and I mean nothing is off limits.

But you don't dislike Danielle and she does the same, in fact she often makes the insult first and Ashleigh replies and she bitches as well.. The way Helen argues and behave is appalling, it would not be water off my back. She is like a character in Shameless.

I dislike Danielle.

Just find her easier to dismiss, doesn't anger me as much at the moment. I think she is laughed at more than taken seriously surely?
After the awkward Winston stuff?