Yes. I found it disturbing to hear mr. Integrity sitting in the pod bitching like a silly school girl. Did you find it normal? I didn't do that when I was a kid, how embarrassing to do it as a 33 year old. At least Chris was embarrassed by his behavior.

And doing it to someone who in Chris's own words " has been nothing but nice to him "

Chris has said it, Toya and Mathew have also said after leaving that Helen would often make things heard for effect and that we haven't been shown the half of it as it is being filtered which is quite disturbing.

I think you may have meant Chris, Toya and Matthew also did it. Seeing how they HAVE all called other hms nasty names behind their back. Matthew called Helen a skid mark on society. .

That sounds general and reveals nothing in particular about what was said about Jale. Sorry there is really nothing to argue about here. You could be right, but your opinion on Jale's relationship with Helen does not stand up if you're wrong .

It was abnormal to see Chris talking that way, he seemed detached from himself, as if on a task called "Bitching with the bitches" i didn't recognize the guy in the pod. It certainly "did not look good" and was not normal, but the word "disturbing" introduces a bad smell, a sinister element not expressed by the former two descriptions imo.

Even then it's my firm belief that Chris was bitching tactically, as a contestant in a game, and so your condemnation under normal social interactive rules ("I didn't do that when I was a kid") surely doesn't apply anyway. You say he was behaving like a silly school girl, i say he was acting like one to gain an advantage.

Imagine if Jale had called him abnormal I don't know if it's just a matter of semantics in the end because the way you describe it does make me think of the word disturbing. If she saw him looking / acting abnormal then she may very well be disturbed surely.

She said something along those lines about Toya, something about not being comfortable with Toya taking Ashleigh (being only eighteen) into little corners and whispering etc, I think you are reading too much into what jale was saying!!

Not once did I get a vibe that she was implying he was pervy from that statement.

I took it as her meaning him, a grown man looked stupid bitching with 2 young girls, like he should be past that as he's older. But I thought her comment was ridiculous because the age difference between Chris and Danielle is the same as the difference between Danielle and Ashleigh (+ 1 year) and she'd never think or say that about Danielle.

Jale is just a bit preachy IMO and thinks she's holier than thou, but I went off her when she started talking about crystals and bloody tea leaves lol

How the opinion of Jale has changed over the course of the past few weeks. It seems that everyone who starts to become friends with Helen suddenly turns into some kind of evil villain.

Jales comments about Chris uncalled for, its ridiculous to think a grown woman can behave like that.

I also have to say that Jales weak, i mean she has basically decided to buddy up with the one person who bullied her the most! . Its uncomfortable viewing!

Jale has to go unfortunately, its ashame in a way, especially as she was a totally better character at the start of the show to the one we have seen now!

That's a puerile remark, are you a usual Jale supporter deflecting her poor behaviour?

The OP is quite right, she made a veiled accusation and it's nasty.

It's not a very nice word is it, but still a very useful one. Bottom line is you'll be happy to know i'm still correct Or at least i think i am, doesn't it just mean non typical or not normal? (underneath the neg connotations)

Ok, Jale may well of felt disturbed in the sense that seeing Chris behaving out of character, in any situation could perhaps send a shiver down her spine. I think that's the closest i'm going to get to agreeing, however that way of defining Jale's "disturbed" feeling ignores the "young girls" element, so i still find myself wondering why Jale found him bitching with "young girls" "Disturbing"

I think were either in "impressionable youth" territory or Chris is a perv territory. Back at the beginning then haha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBovTYXwtEk

Where is Jale's concern then, is it for Ashleigh? for Chris or for herself?

It is general but this is BB, like this forum most of it goes on assumption some backed up with bits of so called evidence but without live feed we can only assume. What is galling is some of the statements on here with absolutely no evidence or even a willingness to to back it up especially the anti Ashleigh stuff sometimes it beggars believe and makes you wonder the age of the posters.

Regarding the relationship between Jale and Helen, well it is most certainly very strange and I can only assume she is either playing a massive game (nothing bad in that) or just scared of fronting Helen out on her behaviour as I refuse to believe she didn't hear the comments or felt ostracised by her. She either is extremely forgiving or has no backbone yet certain sharpe comments coming from her recently don't match up!

You said it though, 'negative connotations' and that's what it's all about. If you called someone abnormal no matter how many times and ways you tried to dilute it with the actual meaning I don't think they would ever be tolerant of being called that.

However, Jale saying what she saw was disturbing, didn't actually have that effect on Chris, even though she included the young girls bit. Therefore I think that proves it is possible to hear that and not make the negative connotations people have on here and therefore it is possible that those negative connotations don't exist at all and in this case that's what I believe is the case.

Regarding the young girls element I can't get away from it being to differentiate him from them as much as possible. She accepts 'young girls' bitch and gossip but Chris a proper grown up, now that is disturbing

I think Jale is angry and hurt when she confronts Chris and I think her concern is a bit all over the place. I like that she confronts people on their own but I wish she'd waited a bit, maybe until the next day and managed to calm down a bit.

BIB I'd say she would have if Helen hadn't of went on about it straight away.

Bang on.


'Fraid so.

Basically Helen is so toxic that one way or another she brings it out in others. I think this is true of both Ashleigh and Jale.

I do agree. Her hand was forced in a way as the cat was out the bag and Chris's name had been mentioned. The funny or ironic thing is Chris and Jale are over it, they have said so and are getting on now but we can't seem to forget as easily

That's because Helen's toxicity brings it out of us too.

Of course Helen's version of that is: she's bringing out the truth.

Helen's an emetic.

Get her out I say

I think everyone on this thread are blaming jale for what they saw

Big Brother is an ever revolving game of "Make a housemate look bad in front of the general public to discredit them." Jale is always looking to score, always looking to the gallery for a reaction.

Her reactions aren't real, they are all for effect. It's like a kid pretending their sibling has hurt them more than they actually have in order to get them a more severe punishment from Mum and Dad. That's what happened here and I think the public have caught on to this, that's why she's favourite to go.