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Was Lorraine Newman As Bad As Is Made Out?
A lot of people in here despise Lorraine Newman and state how she ruined the show. I don't think completely she ruined the show, I believe she just helped it to recover very slowly.
She did some good stuff, Clearing a lot of dead wood such as Anthony Moon, Tyler Moon, Syed Masood and Derek Branning. She also brought back some good characters like Peggy Mitchell, Ronnie Mitchell, Peter Beale, Cindy Williams, Carly Wicks and David Wicks. And although it was a poor attempt she still brought in a new family. I will agree however that she brought in some dreadful idiots such as Carl, Dexter and Sam. The main problems with the show was the writers I think, a lot of her characthers and stories had potential but it was wasted |
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A lot of people in here despise Lorraine Newman and state how she ruined the show. I don't think completely she ruined the show, I believe she just helped it to recover very slowly.
She did some good stuff, Clearing a lot of dead wood such as Anthony Moon, Tyler Moon, Syed Masood and Derek Branning. She also brought back some good characters like Peggy Mitchell, Ronnie Mitchell, Peter Beale, Cindy Williams, Carly Wicks and David Wicks. And although it was a poor attempt she still brought in a new family. I will agree however that she brought in some dreadful idiots such as Carl, Dexter and Sam. The main problems with the show was the writers I think, a lot of her characthers and stories had potential but it was wasted |
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Bryan Kirkwood ripped the show to pieces, and I still believe DTC was his replacement, but due to previous commitments he wasn't available immediately, so LN was drafted in temporarily to take he helm.
I think she did a good job in wiping the slate clean for DTC. In the long term, she allowed DTC to take over as quickly as possible and begin his stories straight away. In the short term, we had little character development and lots of short term, bland storylines to keep the show going until the real producer took over. |
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It also didn't helped she joined shortly after they filmed Pats exit :/. I do wonder if they'd never have killed pat off would LN Got her back sooner probably would have helped the show big time Helped LN and you never know Barbara Windsor herself might have come back for more episode and even come back as a regular or it would been easier for dtc when he took over also to have got Barbara to come back. But then would we have been given the carters. If Kirkwood never have killed off Pat and the events that followed that is the questions.
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It also didn't helped she joined shortly after they filmed Pats exit :/. I do wonder if they'd never have killed pat off would LN Got her back sooner probably would have helped the show big time Helped LN and you never know Barbara Windsor herself might have come back for more episode and even come back as a regular or it would been easier for dtc when he took over also to have got Barbara to come back. But then would we have been given the carters. If Kirkwood never have killed off Pat and the events that followed that is the questions.
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EE was already in a very bad way and they expected her to turn it around but she couldn't. She probably did make some good decisions along with some bad ones but EE needed someone who is passionate about the show. DTC has turned it around.
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EE's problems began before LN took over the reins. DTC and Santer started wrecking the show back in 2010, as they clearly had no plans after the live episode because they knew they were leaving and put all their efforts into that, enabling them to leave on a high. Quality nosedived after that episode, then BK came in. I thought his handling of Heather's murder was excellent, but his subsequent 'block storytelling' where characters disappeared for weeks and months was an epic fail. Best thing he did for me was bring in Michael Moon. LN squandered MM by keeping him offscreen during Charlie Brook's 6m leave.
As one poster said at the time, "LN has dealt with the the block storylines problem by having no storylines!". She just seemed to be out of her depth and treading water, rather than pushing the show forward. To be honest, MM and David Wicks held my interest, and since both those have gone, I can take or leave the show despite an upturn in its quality since DTC took the reins again. Good to see positivity about the show again, and clearly more people are switching back on, but strangely I've all but switched off and not sure when I'll take more than a passing interest in the show again. Used to feel passionate about it but 2010-2013 kind of killed my passion for it. I do still dip in, and am enjoying the Carters, but don't have a great deal of interest in any of the other characters. |
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Her era was like watching paint dry. I recognise she had to deal with problems inflicted on the show by previous executive producers but there is no excuse for the lack of storylines and the amount of filler she inflicted on us. The only decent thing she did was bring David Wicks back. Her one woman crusade to redeem Kat was so ineffective it fell apart at the seams in an instant.
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God, the woman was terrible
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We cannot just blame Kirkwood for killing Pat, remember the likes of John Yorke was overseeing Bryan and if he wasn't happy with a decision he wouldn't of let it happen!!
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Lorraine Newman was series producer at the time and would have signed it off.
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No. Her triumphs were limited but at least she didn't cause too much damage. The only damage I can think of from her was Sharon, and that's a lot easier to fix than Kat and the loss of Pat, Ronnie etc. No doubt if Berkwood hadn't set the stage for Alfie and Roxy, she wouldn't have gone there either.
I don't think Yorke had that much say in anything either. He created Kat so wouldn't have allowed her to be butchered like that. |
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It would have been interesting to hear LN's longterm vison for the show, if she had one (?) The show needed a quiet period after all the dark, melodramatic, storylines of BK's era and it needed a stable cast after all of BK's axing (both his own and DTC's characters like Libby, Chealsea, Gelinda, Julie, Minty, Conner etc etc)
She provided the show with exactly that, a quiet period, a stable cast, got rid of unpopular characters, tried to get Cora back in the limelight, had some warmth, repaired a lot of characters like Whitney and Kat. The trouble was she didn't develop any storylines, she just had a warm community. BK provided sensationalism and darkness, LN provided warmth, community, stable cast. The trouble is, you need a balance of both. Ultimately, a soap without a balance of both is unwatchable. Perhaps if LN and BK had been working together during 2010 - 2013 then the show would have been very very strong. |
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She was a stop-gap measure. To her credit she offered stability and put the Beales back on the map.
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Lorraine Newman wasn't good at beining but she was around summer 2013.
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