Originally Posted by Philip Wilson:
“No ones asking you to join in are they?”
“No ones asking you to join in are they?”
LOL great answer
EE Johnny and Gianluca
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Originally Posted by bean_of_sb:
“When I read absurd comments such as the ones in this thread, it's a reminder as to why it is important that Jonny's story is told. Because it's not just Jonny's story, it's my story too, and thousands of other young gay men who try to live normal lives.
Quite recently I said the exact same line as Jonny, 'I've never kissed a guy in public before' it's important to remember that, unfortunately, young gay people still see this as an issue because of the ignorants of this world who pass comment on such a minor thing.
So what if Jonny and Luca weren't in a committed relationship before having sex? It wasn't a drunken mistake, there was nothing seedy about it. Two young people were brave enough to explore their sexuality. They weren't in an alley way, a club toilet or a seedy hotel, it was somewhere Jonny felt very comfortable. Jonny met Luca at Pride. PRIDE! A place where gay people are liberated and, for me, it's a reminder that I'm not alone, and despite the homophobia I receive, there are others going through the same as me.
I have kissed people that I haven't known for long, and I've probably done a few things I regret, but it's all in the name of exploration. Was I a slut? No. Was it disgusting? No. Am I ashamed? No. Did it lead to a better life where I am more confident in a world where people judge me on my sexual preference? 100%
I do agree that sometimes soaps don't bit the mark with gay representation. In hollyoaks, two gay characters means they get it on by default, and I really disagree with that. But in Jonny Carter we have a realistic portrayal of a young gay man coming to terms with who he is. For me, it's a scary enough prospect, and the comments made on DS at times only confirm that characters like Jonny, and events like Pride, are still important. I appreciate that it is an issue for people, but please don't overlook the effect that such ignorance and prejudice has on young people like me.”
“When I read absurd comments such as the ones in this thread, it's a reminder as to why it is important that Jonny's story is told. Because it's not just Jonny's story, it's my story too, and thousands of other young gay men who try to live normal lives.
Quite recently I said the exact same line as Jonny, 'I've never kissed a guy in public before' it's important to remember that, unfortunately, young gay people still see this as an issue because of the ignorants of this world who pass comment on such a minor thing.
So what if Jonny and Luca weren't in a committed relationship before having sex? It wasn't a drunken mistake, there was nothing seedy about it. Two young people were brave enough to explore their sexuality. They weren't in an alley way, a club toilet or a seedy hotel, it was somewhere Jonny felt very comfortable. Jonny met Luca at Pride. PRIDE! A place where gay people are liberated and, for me, it's a reminder that I'm not alone, and despite the homophobia I receive, there are others going through the same as me.
I have kissed people that I haven't known for long, and I've probably done a few things I regret, but it's all in the name of exploration. Was I a slut? No. Was it disgusting? No. Am I ashamed? No. Did it lead to a better life where I am more confident in a world where people judge me on my sexual preference? 100%
I do agree that sometimes soaps don't bit the mark with gay representation. In hollyoaks, two gay characters means they get it on by default, and I really disagree with that. But in Jonny Carter we have a realistic portrayal of a young gay man coming to terms with who he is. For me, it's a scary enough prospect, and the comments made on DS at times only confirm that characters like Jonny, and events like Pride, are still important. I appreciate that it is an issue for people, but please don't overlook the effect that such ignorance and prejudice has on young people like me.”
You said it all - your views are very accurate and to the point
Originally Posted by silversox:
“I am old, I'm very naive, blinkered and narrow minded and if the thought of two men having anal sex turns my stomach then I must be homophobic as well.”
“I am old, I'm very naive, blinkered and narrow minded and if the thought of two men having anal sex turns my stomach then I must be homophobic as well.”
hmmmm - have you ever considered that the thought of naive, blinkered, narrow minded, homophobic old people having sex might turn the stomachs of many people both heterosexual and homosexual BUT we are usually too polite to say so
Originally Posted by cas1977:
“I do agree with your post. But what I found most silly about the episode was how Lee and Nancy took the news that their little brother just had had sex and (obv lost his virginity) in his bedroom that very same evening, and even though yes, it's all meant to be normal now, and shown in the same way as any other relationship, I would have thought (and in the real world it would have been a bit more realistic) that Lee may have felt a bit more awkward discussing his brother having sex with another man than if he'd been with a girl, given the fact that Lee is a fairly macho bloke, in the army, and probably wouldn't have had much experience with homosexuality anyway.
I just thought those scenes were all a bit too "right on" and once again a soap opera laying it on thick....
That's why I like Lindas reaction to it, because as much as she isn't hating Johnny obviously, she still feels awkward about it, and I think that generally in most families that would be the case....especially in the beginning
Because whether people want to admit it or not, being gay is slightly different from the norm, and people seeing two men kiss or two women kiss, are always going to bring about differing opinions which wouldn't be there if it were opposite sexes kissing.”
“I do agree with your post. But what I found most silly about the episode was how Lee and Nancy took the news that their little brother just had had sex and (obv lost his virginity) in his bedroom that very same evening, and even though yes, it's all meant to be normal now, and shown in the same way as any other relationship, I would have thought (and in the real world it would have been a bit more realistic) that Lee may have felt a bit more awkward discussing his brother having sex with another man than if he'd been with a girl, given the fact that Lee is a fairly macho bloke, in the army, and probably wouldn't have had much experience with homosexuality anyway.
I just thought those scenes were all a bit too "right on" and once again a soap opera laying it on thick....
That's why I like Lindas reaction to it, because as much as she isn't hating Johnny obviously, she still feels awkward about it, and I think that generally in most families that would be the case....especially in the beginning
Because whether people want to admit it or not, being gay is slightly different from the norm, and people seeing two men kiss or two women kiss, are always going to bring about differing opinions which wouldn't be there if it were opposite sexes kissing.”
I don't think it was silly or 'right on' at all. I am a good ten years older than the Carter kids and have seen many of my gay friends discuss their relationships/sex lives with their straight siblings and no one is weird about it at all. And I don't see why Lee would be uncomfortable just because he's a slightly macho squaddie. Most macho young guys these days just aren't weird about gay stuff, it's no longer something to be weird about. He may well have gay friends in the army. I remember reading about how, when they first allowed openly gay people to serve the top brass all thought it would cause loads of issues with their men, not realising that being of a different generation, they just didn't find it an issue in the same way that the older senior officers assumed they would.
Edited to add-I'm not saying that there are no homophobic soldiers, nor that homophobia doesn't happen in the army, simply that to assume that just because Lee is a soldier and macho means he would be uncomfortable talking about his gay brother's sex life seems about 20 years out of date to me.
Tbh I find it more unrealistic that Linda, who is only a few years older than me, had such an issue with her son being gay. Would a woman who was a teenager in London in the 90's and doesn't appear to be especially religious really react in such an over the top way?
But then lots of aspects of Mick and Linda's characterisations don't fit with their ages. Are there really 30-somethings obsessed with the Royal family, or who use Cockney rhyming slang, or who would bother pretending to be married? Even their names are far more common in the generation above them. It's like they created them as 'soap parents' without thinking about the fact that they are quite young 'soap parents' and therefore didn't adjust the characters accordingly. But bthen I suspect they put very little thought into the Carters ages. They don't make sense at all.
Originally Posted by silversox:
“I am old, I'm very naive, blinkered and narrow minded and if the thought of two men having anal sex turns my stomach then I must be homophobic as well.”
“I am old, I'm very naive, blinkered and narrow minded and if the thought of two men having anal sex turns my stomach then I must be homophobic as well.”
I would like to know why the thought of two men having sex would enter your mind anyway. It shouldn't, unless your curious about trying it yourself.
That's the problem with people's bigoted views on gay people. They focus too much on what they get up to in the bedroom. Straight people have anal sex as well. Many people could easily question what sexual escapades straight people get up to and find it it turns their stomach, but they won't because it's "the norm" of them doing it.
Age is no excuse for why people class themselves as traditional or old fashioned in finding what gay people get up to as stomach churning. My grandparents are as old fashioned as you can find, but gay people are water off a duck's back to them. They have many gay friends, have been to same sex weddings and have never use their age or even their religion to determine on judging or hating or even having their stomach turned on what two men or two woman get up to. I am proud to say I have been raised in an open minded family.
Originally Posted by DCM10:
“Nice to see the scenes last night (Tuesday 8th) between Johnny, Gianluca and the Carters. Gianluca received a nice welcome from the Carters and even Linda seemed to accept him which was nice as he was charming and a nice person to be with her son.
Mick's embarrassed chat with Johnny was delightful as was the scene when Gianluca suggests going into Johnny's room. Johnny's nervous reaction was perfect as it was his first time with another boy.
There were three gay kisses in Tuesday's programme, all justified and all treated exactly the same as straight kisses would be treated. Well done for that Eastenders.
”
“Nice to see the scenes last night (Tuesday 8th) between Johnny, Gianluca and the Carters. Gianluca received a nice welcome from the Carters and even Linda seemed to accept him which was nice as he was charming and a nice person to be with her son.
Mick's embarrassed chat with Johnny was delightful as was the scene when Gianluca suggests going into Johnny's room. Johnny's nervous reaction was perfect as it was his first time with another boy.
There were three gay kisses in Tuesday's programme, all justified and all treated exactly the same as straight kisses would be treated. Well done for that Eastenders.
”
I completely disagree with pretty much everything you have said. They did not look suited and they certainly didn't look nervous. To me, the acting was awkward, the kissing was awkward. Completely unbelievable and wooden.
So bored with Sam Strikes portrayal of Johnny, hope Lucys murderer bumps him off in the aftermath. Do us all a favour
Originally Posted by cas1977:
“I do agree with your post. But what I found most silly about the episode was how Lee and Nancy took the news that their little brother just had had sex and (obv lost his virginity) in his bedroom that very same evening, and even though yes, it's all meant to be normal now, and shown in the same way as any other relationship, I would have thought (and in the real world it would have been a bit more realistic) that Lee may have felt a bit more awkward discussing his brother having sex with another man than if he'd been with a girl, given the fact that Lee is a fairly macho bloke, in the army, and probably wouldn't have had much experience with homosexuality anyway.
I just thought those scenes were all a bit too "right on" and once again a soap opera laying it on thick....
That's why I like Lindas reaction to it, because as much as she isn't hating Johnny obviously, she still feels awkward about it, and I think that generally in most families that would be the case....especially in the beginning
Because whether people want to admit it or not, being gay is slightly different from the norm, and people seeing two men kiss or two women kiss, are always going to bring about differing opinions which wouldn't be there if it were opposite sexes kissing.”
“I do agree with your post. But what I found most silly about the episode was how Lee and Nancy took the news that their little brother just had had sex and (obv lost his virginity) in his bedroom that very same evening, and even though yes, it's all meant to be normal now, and shown in the same way as any other relationship, I would have thought (and in the real world it would have been a bit more realistic) that Lee may have felt a bit more awkward discussing his brother having sex with another man than if he'd been with a girl, given the fact that Lee is a fairly macho bloke, in the army, and probably wouldn't have had much experience with homosexuality anyway.
I just thought those scenes were all a bit too "right on" and once again a soap opera laying it on thick....
That's why I like Lindas reaction to it, because as much as she isn't hating Johnny obviously, she still feels awkward about it, and I think that generally in most families that would be the case....especially in the beginning
Because whether people want to admit it or not, being gay is slightly different from the norm, and people seeing two men kiss or two women kiss, are always going to bring about differing opinions which wouldn't be there if it were opposite sexes kissing.”
It's his brother and he wants his brother to be happy
Originally Posted by bean_of_sb:
“When I read absurd comments such as the ones in this thread, it's a reminder as to why it is important that Jonny's story is told. Because it's not just Jonny's story, it's my story too, and thousands of other young gay men who try to live normal lives.
Quite recently I said the exact same line as Jonny, 'I've never kissed a guy in public before' it's important to remember that, unfortunately, young gay people still see this as an issue because of the ignorants of this world who pass comment on such a minor thing.
So what if Jonny and Luca weren't in a committed relationship before having sex? It wasn't a drunken mistake, there was nothing seedy about it. Two young people were brave enough to explore their sexuality. They weren't in an alley way, a club toilet or a seedy hotel, it was somewhere Jonny felt very comfortable. Jonny met Luca at Pride. PRIDE! A place where gay people are liberated and, for me, it's a reminder that I'm not alone, and despite the homophobia I receive, there are others going through the same as me.
I have kissed people that I haven't known for long, and I've probably done a few things I regret, but it's all in the name of exploration. Was I a slut? No. Was it disgusting? No. Am I ashamed? No. Did it lead to a better life where I am more confident in a world where people judge me on my sexual preference? 100%
I do agree that sometimes soaps don't bit the mark with gay representation. In hollyoaks, two gay characters means they get it on by default, and I really disagree with that. But in Jonny Carter we have a realistic portrayal of a young gay man coming to terms with who he is. For me, it's a scary enough prospect, and the comments made on DS at times only confirm that characters like Jonny, and events like Pride, are still important. I appreciate that it is an issue for people, but please don't overlook the effect that such ignorance and prejudice has on young people like me.”
“When I read absurd comments such as the ones in this thread, it's a reminder as to why it is important that Jonny's story is told. Because it's not just Jonny's story, it's my story too, and thousands of other young gay men who try to live normal lives.
Quite recently I said the exact same line as Jonny, 'I've never kissed a guy in public before' it's important to remember that, unfortunately, young gay people still see this as an issue because of the ignorants of this world who pass comment on such a minor thing.
So what if Jonny and Luca weren't in a committed relationship before having sex? It wasn't a drunken mistake, there was nothing seedy about it. Two young people were brave enough to explore their sexuality. They weren't in an alley way, a club toilet or a seedy hotel, it was somewhere Jonny felt very comfortable. Jonny met Luca at Pride. PRIDE! A place where gay people are liberated and, for me, it's a reminder that I'm not alone, and despite the homophobia I receive, there are others going through the same as me.
I have kissed people that I haven't known for long, and I've probably done a few things I regret, but it's all in the name of exploration. Was I a slut? No. Was it disgusting? No. Am I ashamed? No. Did it lead to a better life where I am more confident in a world where people judge me on my sexual preference? 100%
I do agree that sometimes soaps don't bit the mark with gay representation. In hollyoaks, two gay characters means they get it on by default, and I really disagree with that. But in Jonny Carter we have a realistic portrayal of a young gay man coming to terms with who he is. For me, it's a scary enough prospect, and the comments made on DS at times only confirm that characters like Jonny, and events like Pride, are still important. I appreciate that it is an issue for people, but please don't overlook the effect that such ignorance and prejudice has on young people like me.”
To be fair, and not that I'm saying you are, but most "sluts" wouldn't think they were anyway.
Originally Posted by Finn_Lincoln:
“To be fair, and not that I'm saying you are, but most "sluts" wouldn't think they were anyway.”
“To be fair, and not that I'm saying you are, but most "sluts" wouldn't think they were anyway.”
What is wrong with being a "slut" anyways? Slut-shaming is another problem that society should get over.
Originally Posted by Fanntastik:
“What is wrong with being a "slut" anyways? Slut-shaming is another problem that society should get over.”
“What is wrong with being a "slut" anyways? Slut-shaming is another problem that society should get over.”
Hear, hear. This forum is TERRIBLE for slut-shaming. Johnny and Luca may not have, but I have had plenty of sex that was a drunken mistake, as well as in alleyways, club toilets and seedy hotels and I don't see what's remotely wrong with any of that. The word slut is meaningless and arbitrary. What's wrong with having sex where and with whoever you want? Most people I know in real life are way 'sluttier' than anyone in Eastenders (albeit a lot less incestuous) so I really wonder when people here slut-shame characters what kind of weird, squeaky clean world they inhabit IRL.
Originally Posted by Fanntastik:
“What is wrong with being a "slut" anyways? Slut-shaming is another problem that society should get over.”
“What is wrong with being a "slut" anyways? Slut-shaming is another problem that society should get over.”
I never slut-shamed, personally I'm not a fan of the word hence the quotations.
As long as they do so healthily they can sleep with whoever, my only objection would be those who make "mistakes" with theirs and someone else's lives.
My only problem with this as I said, I don't believe that it's the character Johnny is, if so he'd have just slept with Danny. That said, I do get the sort-of idea was that Johnny hadn't quite accepted his sexuality then either.
Well said, perpet83!
My bad, I misunderstood.
Originally Posted by Finn_Lincoln:
“I never slut-shammed, personally I'm not a fan of the word hence the quotations.”
“I never slut-shammed, personally I'm not a fan of the word hence the quotations.”
My bad, I misunderstood.
Originally Posted by Finn_Lincoln:
“I never slut-shamed, personally I'm not a fan of the word hence the quotations.
As long as they do so healthily they can sleep with whoever, my only objection would be those who make "mistakes" with theirs and someone else's lives.
My only problem with this as I said, I don't believe that it's the character Johnny is, if so he'd have just slept with Danny. That said, I do get the sort-of idea was that Johnny hadn't quite accepted his sexuality then either.”
“I never slut-shamed, personally I'm not a fan of the word hence the quotations.
As long as they do so healthily they can sleep with whoever, my only objection would be those who make "mistakes" with theirs and someone else's lives.
My only problem with this as I said, I don't believe that it's the character Johnny is, if so he'd have just slept with Danny. That said, I do get the sort-of idea was that Johnny hadn't quite accepted his sexuality then either.”
But Danny was shifty and a bit of a wrong'un, and Johnny could probably tell that. Gianluca seemed like a sweet guy that Johnny got on with. Being up for casual sex doesn't equate to wanting to do it with literally anyone you can get your hands on. Maybe he wanted to wait for someone he liked, but he didn't need that to be someone he was in a serious relationship with.
The only thing I didn't think was realistic was Johnny going to Pride.
It's really not his scene I believe (que the homophobe comments).
It's really not his scene I believe (que the homophobe comments
).
Originally Posted by Ashley79:
“I completely disagree with pretty much everything you have said. They did not look suited and they certainly didn't look nervous. To me, the acting was awkward, the kissing was awkward. Completely unbelievable and wooden.
So bored with Sam Strikes portrayal of Johnny, hope Lucys murderer bumps him off in the aftermath. Do us all a favour”
“I completely disagree with pretty much everything you have said. They did not look suited and they certainly didn't look nervous. To me, the acting was awkward, the kissing was awkward. Completely unbelievable and wooden.
So bored with Sam Strikes portrayal of Johnny, hope Lucys murderer bumps him off in the aftermath. Do us all a favour”
It's your right to disagree with everything that I've said. For my part I cannt see any reasoning behind what you say but hey, you have a right to think that way. I would take you to task on one thing though, your rather silly hope that Lucy's murderer bumps Johnny off to 'do us all a favour'. You may not have noticed it but the majority of people posting 'like' Johnny so it really is more a case of doing YOU a favour
Originally Posted by DCM10:
“It's your right to disagree with everything that I've said. For my part I cannt see any reasoning behind what you say but hey, you have a right to think that way. I would take you to task on one thing though, your rather silly hope that Lucy's murderer bumps Johnny off to 'do us all a favour'. You may not have noticed it but the majority of people posting 'like' Johnny so it really is more a case of doing YOU a favour”
“It's your right to disagree with everything that I've said. For my part I cannt see any reasoning behind what you say but hey, you have a right to think that way. I would take you to task on one thing though, your rather silly hope that Lucy's murderer bumps Johnny off to 'do us all a favour'. You may not have noticed it but the majority of people posting 'like' Johnny so it really is more a case of doing YOU a favour
”
Like like like!
Originally Posted by perpet83:
“But Danny was shifty and a bit of a wrong'un, and Johnny could probably tell that. Gianluca seemed like a sweet guy that Johnny got on with. Being up for casual sex doesn't equate to wanting to do it with literally anyone you can get your hands on. Maybe he wanted to wait for someone he liked, but he didn't need that to be someone he was in a serious relationship with.”
“But Danny was shifty and a bit of a wrong'un, and Johnny could probably tell that. Gianluca seemed like a sweet guy that Johnny got on with. Being up for casual sex doesn't equate to wanting to do it with literally anyone you can get your hands on. Maybe he wanted to wait for someone he liked, but he didn't need that to be someone he was in a serious relationship with.”
Perhaps, but I still find it unbelievable he'd lose it to someone he'd known only for a couple of days.
Originally Posted by cas1977:
“I do agree with your post. But what I found most silly about the episode was how Lee and Nancy took the news that their little brother just had had sex and (obv lost his virginity) in his bedroom that very same evening, and even though yes, it's all meant to be normal now, and shown in the same way as any other relationship, I would have thought (and in the real world it would have been a bit more realistic) that Lee may have felt a bit more awkward discussing his brother having sex with another man than if he'd been with a girl, given the fact that Lee is a fairly macho bloke, in the army, and probably wouldn't have had much experience with homosexuality anyway.
I just thought those scenes were all a bit too "right on" and once again a soap opera laying it on thick....
That's why I like Lindas reaction to it, because as much as she isn't hating Johnny obviously, she still feels awkward about it, and I think that generally in most families that would be the case....especially in the beginning
Because whether people want to admit it or not, being gay is slightly different from the norm, and people seeing two men kiss or two women kiss, are always going to bring about differing opinions which wouldn't be there if it were opposite sexes kissing.”
“I do agree with your post. But what I found most silly about the episode was how Lee and Nancy took the news that their little brother just had had sex and (obv lost his virginity) in his bedroom that very same evening, and even though yes, it's all meant to be normal now, and shown in the same way as any other relationship, I would have thought (and in the real world it would have been a bit more realistic) that Lee may have felt a bit more awkward discussing his brother having sex with another man than if he'd been with a girl, given the fact that Lee is a fairly macho bloke, in the army, and probably wouldn't have had much experience with homosexuality anyway.
I just thought those scenes were all a bit too "right on" and once again a soap opera laying it on thick....
That's why I like Lindas reaction to it, because as much as she isn't hating Johnny obviously, she still feels awkward about it, and I think that generally in most families that would be the case....especially in the beginning
Because whether people want to admit it or not, being gay is slightly different from the norm, and people seeing two men kiss or two women kiss, are always going to bring about differing opinions which wouldn't be there if it were opposite sexes kissing.”
Slightly different from the norm implies that you mean gay people are not normal. We'll I'd rather be abnormal than be a bigot thank you very much.
Originally Posted by Scrabbler:
“Slightly different from the norm implies that you mean gay people are not normal. We'll I'd rather be abnormal than be a bigot thank you very much.”
“Slightly different from the norm implies that you mean gay people are not normal. We'll I'd rather be abnormal than be a bigot thank you very much.”
When I say that gay people are slightly away from "the norm" I basically mean that they are slightly different due to the fact they are attracted to their own gender. Nothing wrong in saying that.
For example, noone is going to go up to their parents and admit that after all these years they want to confess to them that they are in fact straight........but that does happen when someone is gay. That is what I meant by gay people not being "the norm" and/or different from the norm.
Originally Posted by cas1977:
“When I say that gay people are slightly away from "the norm" I basically mean that they are slightly different due to the fact they are attracted to their own gender. Nothing wrong in saying that.
For example, noone is going to go up to their parents and admit that after all these years they want to confess to them that they are in fact straight........but that does happen when someone is gay. That is what I meant by gay people not being "the norm" and/or different from the norm.”
“When I say that gay people are slightly away from "the norm" I basically mean that they are slightly different due to the fact they are attracted to their own gender. Nothing wrong in saying that.
For example, noone is going to go up to their parents and admit that after all these years they want to confess to them that they are in fact straight........but that does happen when someone is gay. That is what I meant by gay people not being "the norm" and/or different from the norm.”
I hear what you are saying but your way of putting it can be read as offensive. Had you said different to the majority there would probably be no issues but different to the norm or normal implies that heterosexuality is normal and homosexuality is not.
As to your example of a straight or gay child having to explain their sexuality to their parents, why should anyone have to explain their sexuality? In an ideal world, which this isn't, a child would just explore their sexuality naturally in the knowledge that whoever they chose as a partner be they black, white, straight or gay, that their family would readily accept their choice.
Originally Posted by perpet83:
“I don't think it was silly or 'right on' at all. I am a good ten years older than the Carter kids and have seen many of my gay friends discuss their relationships/sex lives with their straight siblings and no one is weird about it at all. And I don't see why Lee would be uncomfortable just because he's a slightly macho squaddie. Most macho young guys these days just aren't weird about gay stuff, it's no longer something to be weird about. He may well have gay friends in the army. I remember reading about how, when they first allowed openly gay people to serve the top brass all thought it would cause loads of issues with their men, not realising that being of a different generation, they just didn't find it an issue in the same way that the older senior officers assumed they would.
Edited to add-I'm not saying that there are no homophobic soldiers, nor that homophobia doesn't happen in the army, simply that to assume that just because Lee is a soldier and macho means he would be uncomfortable talking about his gay brother's sex life seems about 20 years out of date to me.
Tbh I find it more unrealistic that Linda, who is only a few years older than me, had such an issue with her son being gay. Would a woman who was a teenager in London in the 90's and doesn't appear to be especially religious really react in such an over the top way?
But then lots of aspects of Mick and Linda's characterisations don't fit with their ages. Are there really 30-somethings obsessed with the Royal family, or who use Cockney rhyming slang, or who would bother pretending to be married? Even their names are far more common in the generation above them. It's like they created them as 'soap parents' without thinking about the fact that they are quite young 'soap parents' and therefore didn't adjust the characters accordingly. But bthen I suspect they put very little thought into the Carters ages. They don't make sense at all.”
“I don't think it was silly or 'right on' at all. I am a good ten years older than the Carter kids and have seen many of my gay friends discuss their relationships/sex lives with their straight siblings and no one is weird about it at all. And I don't see why Lee would be uncomfortable just because he's a slightly macho squaddie. Most macho young guys these days just aren't weird about gay stuff, it's no longer something to be weird about. He may well have gay friends in the army. I remember reading about how, when they first allowed openly gay people to serve the top brass all thought it would cause loads of issues with their men, not realising that being of a different generation, they just didn't find it an issue in the same way that the older senior officers assumed they would.
Edited to add-I'm not saying that there are no homophobic soldiers, nor that homophobia doesn't happen in the army, simply that to assume that just because Lee is a soldier and macho means he would be uncomfortable talking about his gay brother's sex life seems about 20 years out of date to me.
Tbh I find it more unrealistic that Linda, who is only a few years older than me, had such an issue with her son being gay. Would a woman who was a teenager in London in the 90's and doesn't appear to be especially religious really react in such an over the top way?
But then lots of aspects of Mick and Linda's characterisations don't fit with their ages. Are there really 30-somethings obsessed with the Royal family, or who use Cockney rhyming slang, or who would bother pretending to be married? Even their names are far more common in the generation above them. It's like they created them as 'soap parents' without thinking about the fact that they are quite young 'soap parents' and therefore didn't adjust the characters accordingly. But bthen I suspect they put very little thought into the Carters ages. They don't make sense at all.”
I agree with what you've put about Mick and Linda. They dont seem particularly fashionable etc, especially Lindas name. I'm exactly her age and born in 77, and not many babies would have been named Linda during that year!
But I actually do like the way the actors are portraying this couple, basically they're saying that as much as they're still "young" they've got traditional values probably taken from their own mum and dad. I like Micks cockney slang, it comes over natural and imo is much better than Dexters and Fatboys speech.
The fact that Linda is supposed to like the Royal family I suppose is the writers way of making them old school London and patriotic etc.
The ages of their kids don't make sense at all to me. And definitely should be played by younger actors.
I think her portrayal of a Mum finding out her favourite son is gay was imo totally realistic. At least she showed hurt and disappointment instead of out and out hate and threats to disown him, and I think that how she played it is how most parents would react even though later down the line they come to accept it.
Originally Posted by DCM10:
“I hear what you are saying but your way of putting it can be read as offensive. Had you said different to the majority there would probably be no issues but different to the norm or normal implies that heterosexuality is normal and homosexuality is not.
As to your example of a straight or gay child having to explain their sexuality to their parents, why should anyone have to explain their sexuality? In an ideal world, which this isn't, a child would just explore their sexuality naturally in the knowledge that whoever they chose as a partner be they black, white, straight or gay, that their family would readily accept their choice.”
“I hear what you are saying but your way of putting it can be read as offensive. Had you said different to the majority there would probably be no issues but different to the norm or normal implies that heterosexuality is normal and homosexuality is not.
As to your example of a straight or gay child having to explain their sexuality to their parents, why should anyone have to explain their sexuality? In an ideal world, which this isn't, a child would just explore their sexuality naturally in the knowledge that whoever they chose as a partner be they black, white, straight or gay, that their family would readily accept their choice.”
Well, I agree that noone should have to explain their sexuality to anyone but I think that most people would feel or would want to tell their parents if they're gay....
Maybe in an ideal world, their family would readily accept any partner their brother/sister/daughter/son chose, but I think that concept is still quite far off....
Originally Posted by Fanntastik:
“What is wrong with being a "slut" anyways? Slut-shaming is another problem that society should get over.”
“What is wrong with being a "slut" anyways? Slut-shaming is another problem that society should get over.”
You ask "what is wrong with being a slut?"....Well, basically everything! What woman in her right mind wants to be known as that? It's basically an insult to be used against women. It's like being called the "office bike"....and I doubt anyone would actually want to choose to be known as that.
Can you imagine a typical father being proud of his daughter having been with lots of men?? Whereas that same father would probably have no problem with his son going about "sowing his wild oats"....I think that is society in general and it's something that will never change.
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