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Old 09-07-2014, 22:42
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The Beales weren't much better tbh, but I think people only talk about the Fowlers because they were an original family.

I have been catching up with EE from the beginning (4-5 episodes a day for the past 2 years) and I am now on the Mark HIV reveal. Yawn.

Thank god the Fowlers left when they did. Times change.
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Old 09-07-2014, 22:43
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No, the Ferrerias were. Or Sam and Dexter.
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Old 09-07-2014, 22:45
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The Fowlers were awesome in their day. They helped make the show a success.
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Old 09-07-2014, 22:47
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The Fowlers were awesome in their day. They helped make the show a success.
Really? Michelle was a wet blanket. Arthur was just boring, and Mark annoys the hell out of me because he always says "...mum" at the end of every sentence to her.

At least Pauline had some storylines, especially the Arthur affair and the rivalry with Peggy.
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Old 09-07-2014, 22:49
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No, the Ferrerias were. Or Sam and Dexter.
Just looked them up on wiki.

Apparently they had a storyline where the kids killed their dad and buried him under the patio?

Then one of the actors got deported because of a dodgy work permit.
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Old 09-07-2014, 22:50
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The Fowlers were awesome in their day. They helped make the show a success.
This.
I think the clips of them show how good they were. They were a great family, well cast, beautifully characterised and only need dialogue and not all the fancy shocking stuff to be watch able. simpler times.
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Old 09-07-2014, 22:50
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were have you got those epiosdes from
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Old 09-07-2014, 22:58
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Just looked them up on wiki.

Apparently they had a storyline where the kids killed their dad and buried him under the patio?

Then one of the actors got deported because of a dodgy work permit.
One of them was going to kill him yes. Instead we ended up with Kidneygate 1.0. It made Kidneygate 2.0 look good only because Kidneygate 2.0's screentime wasn't ridiculously over the too.
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Old 09-07-2014, 23:04
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Fowlers were the best eastenders family. They were such a real family and reminded me of mine aha. I wish they would bring them back. Brannings are the worst if you ask me
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Old 09-07-2014, 23:13
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I loved the Fowlers and I liked Sonia and Martin's feud with Pauline. Pauline was the matriarch of the Fowlers and I really miss her a lot. Never liked Arthur. Michelle was fantastic.
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Old 09-07-2014, 23:14
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The Beales weren't much better tbh, but I think people only talk about the Fowlers because they were an original family.

I have been catching up with EE from the beginning (4-5 episodes a day for the past 2 years) and I am now on the Mark HIV reveal. Yawn.

Thank god the Fowlers left when they did. Times change.
They weren't an original family. They were THE original family. Inspired by the creators own relatives and placed at the heart of the show. They are EastEnders history with Civvy Street. They have been in Albert Square for decades and are part of the furniture. The fact they're reduced to Ian Beale, Peter Beale, Sonia Fowler and Rebecca Fowler is an insult to Smith and Holland. Their legacy is being slowly erased and the origins of the show are at risk of disappearing forever.
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Old 09-07-2014, 23:19
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They weren't an original family. They were THE original family. Inspired by the creators own relatives and placed at the heart of the show. They are EastEnders history with Civvy Street. They have been in Albert Square for decades and are part of the furniture. The fact they're reduced to Ian Beale, Peter Beale, Sonia Fowler and Rebecca Fowler is an insult to Smith and Holland. Their legacy is being slowly erased and the origins of the show are at risk of disappearing forever.
I never really thought of that before but you are right, more Fowlers are needed on screen. Martin needs to come back and the writers could build the Fowler family back up around Martin & Sonia. No chance of Sue Tully returning as Michelle unfortunately.
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Old 09-07-2014, 23:22
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No, they were one of the best. I can't hold off having a mini heart attack when people are seriously debating whether the likes of Tyler, Anthony and the Hartmans are better than solid characters like Pauline, Arthur, Michelle and Martin.

Oh, and yeah, let's not forget the dreadful Ferrairas.
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Old 09-07-2014, 23:23
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The Beales weren't much better tbh, but I think people only talk about the Fowlers because they were an original family.

I have been catching up with EE from the beginning (4-5 episodes a day for the past 2 years) and I am now on the Mark HIV reveal. Yawn.

Thank god the Fowlers left when they did. Times change.
Looking back they were pretty awful.
I loathed Martin & Sonia as a couple, I don't want to see them reunited.
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Old 09-07-2014, 23:25
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It's a worry that James Alexandrou has taken the same career path as Sue Tully since leaving. Makes you wonder if he's washed his hands of playing his character ever again as well.

I don't think Martin and Sonia have any future in this current show anyway. He's being ripped to shreds by the writers at the moment.
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Old 09-07-2014, 23:27
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It's a worry that James Alexandrou has taken the same career path as Sue Tully since leaving. Makes you wonder if he's washed his hands of playing his character ever again as well.

I don't think Martin and Sonia have any future in this current show anyway. He's being ripped to shreds by the writers at the moment.
What are they doing to him?
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Old 09-07-2014, 23:34
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Just looked them up on wiki.

Apparently they had a storyline where the kids killed their dad and buried him under the patio?

Then one of the actors got deported because of a dodgy work permit.
Bury their dad under the patio because he was abusive & a player...? (according to wiki)

Hmmm....wonder where they got THAT idea from...
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Old 09-07-2014, 23:52
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The Beales and Fowlers (joint) will always be the shows best families. They're normal, and have made the show the success.

The Mitchells are fantastic but they're essentially a bunch of thugs.
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Old 10-07-2014, 00:32
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Pauline, where's the frying pan??!!!
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Old 10-07-2014, 00:44
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They were good originally but they ruined Pauline's character by turning her into a miserable old shrew after Arther died.
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Old 10-07-2014, 02:06
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Fowlers were the best eastenders family. They were such a real family and reminded me of mine aha. I wish they would bring them back. Brannings are the worst if you ask me
I agree with this. The Fowler's were my favourite family too. A nice, normal family who were pretty much the heart of the show from 1985 until 2007. They were great.
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Old 10-07-2014, 08:06
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They weren't an original family. They were THE original family. Inspired by the creators own relatives and placed at the heart of the show. They are EastEnders history with Civvy Street. They have been in Albert Square for decades and are part of the furniture. The fact they're reduced to Ian Beale, Peter Beale, Sonia Fowler and Rebecca Fowler is an insult to Smith and Holland. Their legacy is being slowly erased and the origins of the show are at risk of disappearing forever.
This!

Its good Rebecca is back to continue their name but if I was DTC I would be throwing as much money as possible to James Alexandrou and get him back.

I've given up hope of Susan Tully ever returning. We have to respect the fact she no longer acts so seeing Michelle again is very unlikely.

Speaking of Michelle. I think if handled right Rebecca could well be a mini version of her.
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Old 10-07-2014, 08:12
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I always felt the Fowlers were the heart and soul of EastEnders. While families like the Watts and Mitchells provided the glamour and the drama, the Fowlers kept the show grounded in reality; they actually felt like a 'real' family. A huge part of the show was lost when Pauline departed, it has literally never been the same since.
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Old 10-07-2014, 08:35
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The Beales weren't much better tbh, but I think people only talk about the Fowlers because they were an original family.

I have been catching up with EE from the beginning (4-5 episodes a day for the past 2 years) and I am now on the Mark HIV reveal. Yawn.

Thank god the Fowlers left when they did. Times change.
The Beale/Fowlers will always be my favourite family (especially Ian and Pauline) because they are very much salt of the earth people: very realistic. They don't rely on huge explosions and things like that to be popular. Like the Carters, they were based on the creators own family which makes them seem more real. They were a normal family tackling a whole myriad of problems:HIV, unemployment etc and so, were very easy to relate to.

I always liked Michelle (though I preferred Sharon out of the two girls) and she was a character not often seen in EastEnders these days- I'd say Lola was probably the closest we had to a Michelle. Michelle fell pregnant at 16 but despite advice to get rid of the baby etc, she kept Vicki and worked very hard, ultimately graduating from university. I do to an extent believe that Michelle is really only popular because of the whole Mark Jr secret rather than because of her character, but otherwise I quite liked her.

Arthur and Pauline were something that EE is missing these days (and if the rumours of
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and that's a solid married couple. Admittedly, I wasn't a huge fan of Arthur but, like the rest of his family, he worked very hard to put food on the table and of course, there was the infamous affair with Mrs Hewitt that saw Pauline smack him with the frying pan. You couldn't help but feel sorry for Arthur: a traditional working class man. Again, Mark was a character who I enjoyed watching: he was a good man but the rebellious streak from his younger years (coupled with the HIV) made him tougher and he gave the Beale/Fowlers a bit of edge when it was needed. To this day, i still think axing Mark was a mistake- imagine if he was still around today! Admittedly, there would probably be less focus on the Ian/Sharon friendship but Mark would have been a great rock for Ian in all this and the HIV wouldn't need to be a center of his life- Mark would just be a person with HIV. I can also imagine Mark
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And of course, Pauline: my absolute favourite character. Tough mother but a warm heart- and until her exit was incredibly popular. Sadly by the end of her run, people just wanted Pauline off their screens. The basis of her character was to be strict yet warm and caring, rather than the nasty old battle-axe she turned into. She was the cornerstone of the Beale/Fowlers and I do think Ian, as much as I love his character, makes a poor substitute as head of the family. I think Jane needs to become the new Pauline (as in 80's and 90's Pauline, not the 2006 version).

I do fear that time is running out for the Beale family and killing Lucy won't help in the future.I think the time has come to bring back some Fowlers (or get Sonia up the duff again) or get turn Peter into Sperminator 2.0. Or even bring Elizabeth Beale, that haracter would have loads of potential.

And as controversial as it is, I wouldn't object to a recast Michelle: she has been gone 19 years now and Sue Tully won't ever come back sadly. Same goes for Martin if James Alexandrou won't ever return
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Old 10-07-2014, 08:43
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I agree with the point about Peter.

If the producers had any sense for the future of the Beale name they would make Lauren pregnant with Peter's kid pronto. Maybe even Lola too. So that's two legacy kids created in one quick swoop.

And as controversial as it is, I wouldn't object to a recast Michelle: she has been gone 19 years now and Sue Tully won't ever come back sadly. Same goes for Martin if James Alexandrou won't ever return
However is this a big no no. Susan Tully is part of the reason EastEnders became a success. She was probably more important to the first year than either Den or Angie were. Michelle was the character who got all the press coverage at that point. To recast would be an insult to the history of the show. It cannot happen.
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