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So... who are we (the English) supporting?
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johnF1971
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by celesti:
“You really should stop this 'you don't know about football if you disagree with me' lark, your disgust at Germany is ludicrous.

Being half an hour into a game and having the opposition back off because you're not up to it is WAY more humiliating, just to inform you.”

Not to mention that fact that it might make it look like Germany were involved in some kind of match fixing betting scam!
O'Neill
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Argentina. I cannot stand Messi, but people who say Argentina have not been playing well know little about football. Tactically superb. They don't just have a great defence, they have a very tight midfield capable of stifling the opposition. It's exactly the type of game Germany hate. Argentina have great quality of players and play as a team with a brilliant coach.

I grew up in Germany and would have supported them, but their disgusting humiliation of the host nation last night makes me wish they are put in their place by Argentina.”

Disgusting humiliation? you choose not to support the country you grew up in because they played really well and secured probably one of their most memorable results?
They actually coasted for a good 30-40 minutes they probably could have scored more, I don't know if your being serious though, so will leave it there.

As an aside, I hope Argentina win.
Xela M
10-07-2014
I don't know why people think I was joking. Quite a few people I have spoken to agree with me.

Anyway, nothing can change that game, but I am still supporting Argentina as all my teams are out (Italy and Holland). The only people I like in the German team are Klose and the manager Low. The rest are arrogant tits, especially Muller, even if I have to admit that he is an amazing player.
johnF1971
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“I don't know why people think I was joking. Quite a few people I have spoken to agree with me. ”

Are you serious?! We're not talking about a team of 7 year old kids here (although even U7's don't stop when they've scored 4 goals_.

This was a team of grown men who get paid millions of pounds a year to play football and represent a nation who likes to lord it over the rest of the world as supposedly being the best at football.

I'm only disappointed that the Germans did seem to ease off a bit and didn't make it to double figures!
yaristaman
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“I don't know why people think I was joking. Quite a few people I have spoken to agree with me.

Anyway, nothing can change that game, but I am still supporting Argentina as all my teams are out (Italy and Holland). The only people I like in the German team are Klose and the manager Low. The rest are arrogant tits, especially Muller, even if I have to admit that he is an amazing player.”

..and quite a few people on here think you're talking complete crap.

Are you honestly suggesting that the Germans go completely against the rules of the game, the nature of their team and the overall spirit of football by going easy on Brazil just because they are at home in the World Cup?? Seriously? Seriously????

If Brazil were humiliated that's their problem, not Germanys.
celesti
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Of course... it's not like a 7:1 result will go into the history books.”

Why should Germany be denied a place in history? A sense of pity that's more insulting to Brazilian pride than any scoreline could ever be?
RichmondBlue
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Yeah... because they played a really serious competitive game against the USA... I hope Germany lose the title now. Winning 7:1 against any host nation is disgusting, but to do it against Brazil in a semi-final is truly appalling. 4:1 would have been humiliating enough. Please don't pretend like players can't control the outcome of a game.”

I agree, you don't see England do that sort of thing, we always give the under-dogs a chance. A true gentleman doesnt rub his opponent's nose in it or celebrate like some of these Johnny Foreigners.
But most of these countries are greedy anyway, how many more times do Brazil want to win the WC ? We are perfectly satisfied with winning just the once all those years ago and giving other teams a chance.
Jamesp84
10-07-2014
This final is going to confuse the hell out of old-school English xenophobes.
Tourista
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Maybe you haven't been watching enough football games, but just to inform you: football players can control how many goals they score and Germany should have stopped at 4. It was obvious Brazil was incapable of doing anything.”

Any player that refused to score because they felt sorry for the opposition should be fined and banned for corruption.

For all your cr@p about what makes a good football team, you really are a numpty if you think it consists of not scoring goals when you are able. Actually you sound like a someone who has no idea how football should be played...
Tourista
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“I don't know why people think I was joking. Quite a few people I have spoken to agree with me.

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All that proves is that there are more idiots who lack any knowledge of football whatsoever.
Xela M
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Tourista:
“All that proves is that there are more idiots who lack any knowledge of football whatsoever.”

What can I say, I live in England
Rowdy
10-07-2014
Germany, seeing as I'm a European. I wonder who the Brazilians are supporting?
carnoch04
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Tourista:
“All that proves is that there are more idiots who lack any knowledge of football whatsoever.”

Like World Cup winner Fabio Cannavaro who said if he had been playing he would have said five was enough?
Xela M
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by carnoch04:
“Like World Cup winner Fabio Cannavaro who said if he had been playing he would have said five was enough?”

Are we the same person? Cannavaro is a legend and I agreed with everything he said last night.
Tiggywink
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Yeah... because they played a really serious competitive game against the USA... I hope Germany lose the title now. Winning 7:1 against any host nation is disgusting, but to do it against Brazil in a semi-final is truly appalling. 4:1 would have been humiliating enough. Please don't pretend like players can't control the outcome of a game.”

I'm afraid I don't follow your argument. As another FM has said, being "considerate" and pussy-footing arond a very bad Brazilian team at such a high level (the Germans are in it to WIN IT like all the teams who qualify..) would have been disrespectful.
Football can be an emotional thing, but for heaven's sake! You are allowing the wrong emotion to get in the way here. Sorry, but you are.
Tiggywink
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“I agree, you don't see England do that sort of thing, we always give the under-dogs a chance. A true gentleman doesnt rub his opponent's nose in it or celebrate like some of these Johnny Foreigners.
But most of these countries are greedy anyway, how many more times do Brazil want to win the WC ? We are perfectly satisfied with winning just the once all those years ago and giving other teams a chance.”

Paradise_Lost
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“This final is going to confuse the hell out of old-school English xenophobes.”

Thatcherite patriots vs. the Basil Fawlties. Yes, lot of overlap there.
renard gris
10-07-2014
I'm hoping that Germany win. Argentina haven't impressed me at all (apart from the Nigeria game, possibly).
Tubtui
10-07-2014
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Maybe you haven't been watching enough football games, but just to inform you: football players can control how many goals they score and Germany should have stopped at 4. It was obvious Brazil was incapable of doing anything.”

I don't think the German players have forgotten the shit they got after the Sweden game in 2012. "They arrogantly underestimated the opposition" was the media's main tune back then.
Tiggywink
11-07-2014
Originally Posted by johnF1971:
“Are you serious?! We're not talking about a team of 7 year old kids here (although even U7's don't stop when they've scored 4 goals_.

This was a team of grown men who get paid millions of pounds a year to play football and represent a nation who likes to lord it over the rest of the world as supposedly being the best at football.

I'm only disappointed that the Germans did seem to ease off a bit and didn't make it to double figures!”

Apparently they made an agreement among themselves at half time to ease off a bit.
humbug333
11-07-2014
I hope Germany beat the Argies if only to stop that smug little Messi from being classed as the greatest ever, which he is not.
Scarlett Berry
11-07-2014
Originally Posted by Tiggywink:
“Apparently they made an agreement among themselves at half time to ease off a bit.”

They acted with dignity at the end. They could have really rubbed salt in the wound by acting like morons, they didn't and I for one admire that. Besides they played great football which is always a bous

WOnder what the Brazil squad would have been like, if their carry on at the National Anthem was anything to go by...
Scarlett Berry
11-07-2014
Originally Posted by humbug333:
“I hope Germany beat the Argies if only to stop that smug little Messi from being classed as the greatest ever, which he is not.”

Well I want them to win, but that would be a bonus too.
celesti
11-07-2014
Is Messi all that smug? He just seems to get on with it from what I can see.
Rowdy
11-07-2014
Originally Posted by Tiggywink:
“Apparently they made an agreement among themselves at half time to ease off a bit.”

I think they must have felt a bit awkward and even embarrassed. I would.
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