Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I think it was me that mentioned the memory thing. Of course everybody is different and when I said most people memories start at about 3 or 4 I didn't mean clearly or for everything - generally more unusual events stick in he mind. For example I remember being in a 'show' at nursery school, us moving house and getting a new dog which happened within a couple of weeks of each other when I was 4, my first day at infants school and being the only kid left there at lunch due to my mother working on the other side of town and not being able to take me home like the other kids. One of my grandfather's died when I was 6 and I remember being told in excruciating detail although my memories of him alive are very vague. It's more just a feeling, a sense, image of him I have in my memories now but there is something.
I couldn't quote specific scenes but I do remember it being made very clear back in 2007/2008 that Shirley was supposed to have left Kevin and the kids when they were very young - Dean only a baby and Carly old enough to vaguely remember her but now well so maybe 3 or 4. It can be argued that most viewers won't remember the details so it doesn't matter that they've changed it to enable them to introduce her family and re-introduce Dean but it is certainly a retcon just as Max and Jack Branning being the youngest members of the family was - it's just that most people probably won't care about it much as they would retconning something like Kathy, Cindy or Angie's deaths.”
“I think it was me that mentioned the memory thing. Of course everybody is different and when I said most people memories start at about 3 or 4 I didn't mean clearly or for everything - generally more unusual events stick in he mind. For example I remember being in a 'show' at nursery school, us moving house and getting a new dog which happened within a couple of weeks of each other when I was 4, my first day at infants school and being the only kid left there at lunch due to my mother working on the other side of town and not being able to take me home like the other kids. One of my grandfather's died when I was 6 and I remember being told in excruciating detail although my memories of him alive are very vague. It's more just a feeling, a sense, image of him I have in my memories now but there is something.
I couldn't quote specific scenes but I do remember it being made very clear back in 2007/2008 that Shirley was supposed to have left Kevin and the kids when they were very young - Dean only a baby and Carly old enough to vaguely remember her but now well so maybe 3 or 4. It can be argued that most viewers won't remember the details so it doesn't matter that they've changed it to enable them to introduce her family and re-introduce Dean but it is certainly a retcon just as Max and Jack Branning being the youngest members of the family was - it's just that most people probably won't care about it much as they would retconning something like Kathy, Cindy or Angie's deaths.”
Bib: I wasn't meaning anything by it, I know you were just saying in your experience.
Of course I remember instances and certain things I remember vaguely but faces aren't always easy to picture after years of not seeing them, esp if there is no photos to look at, if that makes sense?
Bib2: I agree with that, I just think that although it was alluded too and mentioned sporadically, it was never said 100% so I don't think it is a big deal if Dean is made slightly older to accommodate what is happening now, as retcons go, it isn't exactly a biggie.
Originally Posted by Broken_Arrow:
“You can place whatever emphasis you want on it but the storyline in 2006/2007 stated very clearly that Shirley had not been in Dean's life since he was a baby and therefore he did not recognise her. It was a continual part of the narrative the whole time they were on the show together. Kevin and Shirley divorced in 1989 and he never saw her again until December 2006. It was written in stone and has now been changed.
Shirley did not leave in the 90's. She left in 1989 when Dean was a baby. Anything written in recent months contradicting that is a retcon and is the continuity we're expected to follow now. Shirley 2014 left her entire family minus Tina 15 years ago. Shirley 2006 left her entire family (which didn't include the new Carters at the time) in 1989.
Regarding the memory thing, perhaps you just have a bad memory. A lot of people do. It's not for me to tell you what you should and shouldn't remember but I can remember from the age of 4-5 very well. I can't conceive of not remembering important stuff from the ages of 7 to 9 but that's just me.”
“You can place whatever emphasis you want on it but the storyline in 2006/2007 stated very clearly that Shirley had not been in Dean's life since he was a baby and therefore he did not recognise her. It was a continual part of the narrative the whole time they were on the show together. Kevin and Shirley divorced in 1989 and he never saw her again until December 2006. It was written in stone and has now been changed.
Shirley did not leave in the 90's. She left in 1989 when Dean was a baby. Anything written in recent months contradicting that is a retcon and is the continuity we're expected to follow now. Shirley 2014 left her entire family minus Tina 15 years ago. Shirley 2006 left her entire family (which didn't include the new Carters at the time) in 1989.
Regarding the memory thing, perhaps you just have a bad memory. A lot of people do. It's not for me to tell you what you should and shouldn't remember but I can remember from the age of 4-5 very well. I can't conceive of not remembering important stuff from the ages of 7 to 9 but that's just me.”
bib: I just meant that it was 7 years ago and I so I don't see many viewers sitting at the TV saying, well 7 years ago, Shirley left shortly after that video was recorded, not many people think they way, well casual viewers anyway. I don't think it was written in stone, it was alluded too, but never categorically stated, so they can juggle it about a bit without it being a disaster, I remember her leaving when Dean was young, but young doesn't necessarily mean baby. - must be my 'Bad Memory' letting me down again...
With regards to memories all I was trying to say is that everyone's memories of things are different, some people remember before others and some remember later on, a lot of people refer to the quote about childhood being like being drunk, everyone else remembers it but you!
