This old saying perhaps might put this in perspective. Keep your friend close and your enemies closer.

I actually think the reverse is true H knows the public like Ashleigh and knows if she continuously appears to be aggressive towards Asheigh even if she gets to the final there is not way she would win.

It was a fan reaction due to the sheer bias shown against Ashleigh from BB last week. Nobody likes feeling manipulated and we always root for the underdog.

Also, it was a massive fingers up to Helen and gang who had all written her off. We wanted them to know that they cant guess what the public are going to do, and we wont be influenced by her or hee group.

What's worse, BB trying to give Ashleigh a bad edit to ensure her eviction, or the public (who ultimately decide who goes) taking back their power and letting them know that we knew what they were playing at and weren't falling for it?

That old chestnut!

I remember Jale fans using the same defence when she befriended Helen. Ashleigh's fans, funnily enough, preferred the term 'up her arse' when describing what was going on.

Not really. I'm not a huge Ashleigh fan, I admit, but then again, I'm not massively over-keen on anyone else in there either.

It's just that among Ashleigh's supporters there seem to be elements who are into block voting, hate campaigns and a sort of perverse idolatry about someone who is, after all, just a fairly ordinary teenage girl. With the mark of the devil on her.

Exactly.

There's another saying quote ..something about sauce for the goose and all that

And another one about people in glass houses.

double standards on this forum are rather amusing.

I agree that Helen is using Ashleigh. (she's using them all- maybe she sees Ash as a friend) Why is Ashleigh falling for it? I think she wanted to be on side with Helen for a long time now.

replace the words 'Ashleigh' and 'Helen' with, for example, 'Aaron' and 'Jay' and we have the same post that has circulated on here since forever.

"Fighting the good fight against the evil witch/bastard and BB bias", "I'm not falling for BB's manipulation". Hate to break it to you, but everything you know about what they're up to in there, and thus every conclusion you've reached on a HM has been as a direct result of what BB has let you see.

The manipulation I see is gullible people being parted with their money and becoming emotionally involved with HMs based on what little footage they get to see in a highly contrived environment.

BB has had its way, yet again.

Let's not forget she was bitching with Helen shortly before she fell under Toya's spell. And if she could befriend Toya there's no reason why she wouldn't befriend Helen. It was pure circumstances that dictated how the cards fell. Imagine if Helen got to Ashleigh before Toya.

I never agree with the idea that any section of society does anything in unison. People have their own individual ideas, IMO. Sometimes it looks like people band together, but that's appearance value only. Who you like or who you don't like is not dictated by your demographic. Teenagers are no more minions than older people. We live in a free-thinking society.

That won't last thy have to lve under the same roof Helen for one will knif her in the back

I totally see that.

Probably correct. So what would you advise, that the public refrain from voting because it's all a big con?

It's a show which requires the public to become emotionally invested in housemates basef on what we are shown. It also requires a regular public vote. We know what to expect and we arent forced to vote or to even watch.

Yes, we see exactly what they want us to see without Live Feed but, what I did see last week, I didn't like. They were quite blatant in their bias against Ashleigh. I understand they may have done that in order to cause a public reaction against it which equals more revenue £££ for them in votes.

It's a game show and we shouldn't take it so seriously. People also get emotionally invested in soap characters, and that's not real either, but we do and that is a natural reaction. On the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean anything anyway.

You say you're not on an anti-Ashleigh campaign, but in the same post you say she's got the "mark of the devil" on her?????
Supporters of any of the housemates up for eviction would have voted to evict Jale last night, as well as any viewers who got tired of her condescending attitude towards all housemates except team 'bully'.

I don't see it as double standards. From reading the posts of the mini Helen supporters, it's more like they see themselves in mini Helen. They say the same disgusting things, bitch about things they've made up in their heads and are generally not nice people. They like mini Helen because they are or were 40 years ago just like her.

The saddest part is they aren't Tweens they are more towards OAP age.

Me and my friends certainly aren't tweenies and we love Ashleigh,

They are. I used to get quite annoyed by the hypocrisy that surrounded the sheer righteousness of some FMs. Now, I take a more philosophical approach to it, and laugh at people using more double standards to defend themselves against the charge of double standards.


By some distance, the worst things said on here have been said by Ashleigh fans about Helen. What is the anti-Ashleigh equivalent to being called a 'slag', a 'neglectful mother', a 'racist', or a 'homophobe'?

Though I suppose you'd defend those slurs on the basis that they're deserved, whereas any slurs against Ashleigh are unsubstantiated nonsense put about by 'mini Helen's who are 'not very nice people'.

But no double standards here Sir. No way...

you suppose? Good luck finding posts to back that up. I don't suppose anything about you because I don't know you. You are just one more anonymous person on the internet and I am under no illusions nor do I fantasize that I know what you will say or do. Amazing how you have to suppose that I am anything like you....

They can also do the opposite if they see the 'young ok looking females' as being something they aspire to emulate themselves.

As for Tamara, no idea how old she is, but she looks about 35 and so would not be considered as a teenage or 20-something role model.

She's 23 I believe

She is 4 years younger than Winston but looks older than his Mum

So would you like Ashleigh to isolate herself, the rest are all now pals with Helen. She could have played for the sympathy vote as Jale did.

I think Vesna is calling Ashleigh 'mini-Helen', not Helen supporters.

Mark of the devil???? Really??? Maybe it's time some one move away from the computer and go outside for a walk. Ashleigh is just a young woman participating in a reality show. There is no "mark of the devil." Now who's into "hate campaigns" and "perverse idolatry." Give your head a shake. This is getting just a little bit scary now.

When and Where did Jale play the sympathy vote? rather it was Ashleigh supporters who played the sympathy vote on Ashleigh's behalf, while slating Jale for maturely getting on with Helen. You may not want to defend your double standards but don't think you can create tall tales.

You first. Show me the equivalent to the slurs against Helen that I asked for.