Both of them were individually gifted players but who would you root for.
Zidane 2006 vs Messi 2014 who was better
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zidane's 2006 world cup was was much better. Thoough messi has had a decvent world cup despite what some clowns would say.
You're obsessed.
He flopped at this tournament.
Perhaps it's time for you to accept that he's not as great as you think he is. He's been hyped and likened to Maradona, but he's not in that class and never will be. This was his chance and he blew it.
He flopped at this tournament.
Perhaps it's time for you to accept that he's not as great as you think he is. He's been hyped and likened to Maradona, but he's not in that class and never will be. This was his chance and he blew it.
Originally Posted by Flat Matt:
“You're obsessed.
He flopped at this tournament.
Perhaps it's time for you to accept that he's not as great as you think he is. He's been hyped and likened to Maradona, but he's not in that class and never will be. This was his chance and he blew it.”
“You're obsessed.
He flopped at this tournament.
Perhaps it's time for you to accept that he's not as great as you think he is. He's been hyped and likened to Maradona, but he's not in that class and never will be. This was his chance and he blew it.”
Incorrect.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Incorrect.”
“Incorrect.”
Nope, it's perfectly true.
He scored some goals against minnows and then went missing at the business end of the tournament against the better teams.
His wildly off target free kick in the dying moments of the game tonight just about sums his tournament. He choked.
Originally Posted by Flat Matt:
“You're obsessed.
He flopped at this tournament.
Perhaps it's time for you to accept that he's not as great as you think he is. He's been hyped and likened to Maradona, but he's not in that class and never will be. This was his chance and he blew it.”
“You're obsessed.
He flopped at this tournament.
Perhaps it's time for you to accept that he's not as great as you think he is. He's been hyped and likened to Maradona, but he's not in that class and never will be. This was his chance and he blew it.”
You never address his performance and goals and assist, without them argentina would not of advanced. he's as good as many greats as golden ball is enough to prove but yes i agree his performance wasn't in the same league as maradona, zidane in wc.
Originally Posted by Flat Matt:
“Nope, it's perfectly true.
He scored some goals against minnows and then went missing at the business end of the tournament against the better teams.
His wildly off target free kick in the dying moments of the game tonight just about sums his tournament. He choked.”
“Nope, it's perfectly true.
He scored some goals against minnows and then went missing at the business end of the tournament against the better teams.
His wildly off target free kick in the dying moments of the game tonight just about sums his tournament. He choked.”
So because Maradona had the greatest World Cup performance means that Messi's greater overall career doesn't match up? It's simply absurd.
As for this actually thread, Zidane scored in that final but also potentially cost his side with his ridiculous headbutt so his was a more extreme performance if that makes sense.
Originally Posted by Flat Matt:
“Nope, it's perfectly true.
He scored some goals against minnows and then went missing at the business end of the tournament against the better teams.
His wildly off target free kick in the dying moments of the game tonight just about sums his tournament. He choked.”
“Nope, it's perfectly true.
He scored some goals against minnows and then went missing at the business end of the tournament against the better teams.
His wildly off target free kick in the dying moments of the game tonight just about sums his tournament. He choked.”
he's scored a freekick, how many freekick goals has been scored in this tournament? its not easy to scored from distance freekick in a pressure last seconds.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“So because Maradona had the greatest World Cup performance means that Messi's greater overall career doesn't match up? It's simply absurd.
As for this actually thread, Zidane scored in that final but also potentially cost his side with his ridiculous headbutt so his was a more extreme performance if that makes sense.”
“So because Maradona had the greatest World Cup performance means that Messi's greater overall career doesn't match up? It's simply absurd.
As for this actually thread, Zidane scored in that final but also potentially cost his side with his ridiculous headbutt so his was a more extreme performance if that makes sense.”
zidane was brilliant in the final if you dismiss this incident.
Originally Posted by david_kenn:
“You never address his performance and goals and assist, without them argentina would not of advanced. he's as good as many greats as golden ball is enough to prove but yes i agree his performance wasn't in the same league as maradona, zidane in wc.”
“You never address his performance and goals and assist, without them argentina would not of advanced. he's as good as many greats as golden ball is enough to prove but yes i agree his performance wasn't in the same league as maradona, zidane in wc.”
As I've said before, his notable performances came in the group stages against the minnows. The further the tournament went and the better the opposition became the less effective Messi was.
He was totally anonymous against Holland and barely featured tonight either. When he did have opportunities to do something he completely fluffed his lines.
True greats deliver at this level and Messi didn't. It's as simple as that.
Originally Posted by Flat Matt:
“As I've said before, his notable performances came in the group stages against the minnows. The further the tournament went and the better the opposition became the less effective Messi was.
He was totally anonymous against Holland and barely featured tonight either. When he did have opportunities to do something he completely fluffed his lines.
True greats deliver at this level and Messi didn't. It's as simple as that.”
“As I've said before, his notable performances came in the group stages against the minnows. The further the tournament went and the better the opposition became the less effective Messi was.
He was totally anonymous against Holland and barely featured tonight either. When he did have opportunities to do something he completely fluffed his lines.
True greats deliver at this level and Messi didn't. It's as simple as that.”
if he was anonymous, against holland, what did robben do against them? He's been argentina's most creative player, played deep and continued to provide chances for his teammates, higuain was a big fail tonight. He was MOM against switzaland.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“So because Maradona had the greatest World Cup performance means that Messi's greater overall career doesn't match up? It's simply absurd.
As for this actually thread, Zidane scored in that final but also potentially cost his side with his ridiculous headbutt so his was a more extreme performance if that makes sense.”
“So because Maradona had the greatest World Cup performance means that Messi's greater overall career doesn't match up? It's simply absurd.
As for this actually thread, Zidane scored in that final but also potentially cost his side with his ridiculous headbutt so his was a more extreme performance if that makes sense.”
Maradona was a better player than Messi.
You don't define how good a player is by how many trophies they win. That says more about a team than an individual. If we're going by that kind of logic, every German player is better than Messi because they have a World Cup win and he doesn't.
It's about the individual contribution a player makes to the teams he plays for and whether they deliver on the big occasions. Maradona made a huge contribution to the teams he played for and delivered the kind of World Cup performances Messi can only dream of.
Don't get me wrong, Messi is very good, but this World Cup was his chance to put himself up there with the likes of Maradona, Pele and the rest, but he fell short.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“So Messi isn't even a great player now? I really do wonder about DS sometimes.”
“So Messi isn't even a great player now? I really do wonder about DS sometimes.”
Great player, best of a generation, doesn't belong in the same bracket as Maradona though.
Originally Posted by david_kenn:
“if he was anonymous, against holland, what did robben do against them? He's been argentina's most creative player, played deep and continued to provide chances for his teammates, higuain was a big fail tonight. He was MOM against switzaland.”
“if he was anonymous, against holland, what did robben do against them? He's been argentina's most creative player, played deep and continued to provide chances for his teammates, higuain was a big fail tonight. He was MOM against switzaland.”
We're not talking about Robben, we're talking about Messi.
Argentina scored one goal in the knockout stages of this World Cup, yet you would have us believe Messi is some unstoppable attacking force. The fact is, the teams who faced Argentina in their last 3 games did manage to stop him and keep him very quiet for long periods in which he barely did anything.
He had a very good chance to score tonight and he didn't even hit the target. His performance at this tournament was not that of a true great.
Originally Posted by Flat Matt:
“You're obsessed.
He flopped at this tournament.
Perhaps it's time for you to accept that he's not as great as you think he is. He's been hyped and likened to Maradona, but he's not in that class and never will be. This was his chance and he blew it.”
“You're obsessed.
He flopped at this tournament.
Perhaps it's time for you to accept that he's not as great as you think he is. He's been hyped and likened to Maradona, but he's not in that class and never will be. This was his chance and he blew it.”
Id like to know what you made of ronaldos performance at this world cup then.
Zidane was so wonderful in 2006
the nearest thing to Maradona 86
Rodriguez was the outstanding player of 2014
for me it's Pele, Maradona.
then Zidane
Then Garrincha, Cruyff, Best, Ronaldo, Ronaldo, Best, Messi, etc
the nearest thing to Maradona 86
Rodriguez was the outstanding player of 2014
for me it's Pele, Maradona.
then Zidane
Then Garrincha, Cruyff, Best, Ronaldo, Ronaldo, Best, Messi, etc
Anyone seriously comparing Zidane's performance in 2006 to Messi's performance in 2014 needs to go back and re-watch Zidane's participation in the knock out stages of 2006. He was absolutely phenomenal and there could never be a dispute about whether Zidane played well or not - he was on fire and carried France on his back to the final where he was also the absolutely best player on the field and almost cracked Italy's impenetrable defence.
I accept that Holland did not give Messi a chance because Vlaar was unbeatable, but funnily enough the Germans gave Messi plenty of opportunity to shine. He didn't take advantage of it. Maybe it is destined for Messi to never win a World Cup because he would have been regarded greater than Maradona, which he is not.
Argentina needed Maradona tonight.
I accept that Holland did not give Messi a chance because Vlaar was unbeatable, but funnily enough the Germans gave Messi plenty of opportunity to shine. He didn't take advantage of it. Maybe it is destined for Messi to never win a World Cup because he would have been regarded greater than Maradona, which he is not.
Argentina needed Maradona tonight.
Originally Posted by gladiator18:
“Id like to know what you made of ronaldos performance at this world cup then.”
“Id like to know what you made of ronaldos performance at this world cup then.”
Ronaldo didn't deliver either. Some nice touches and glimpses of his class, but he was disappointing.
However, Ronaldo was playing in a vastly inferior team to the one Messi was playing in and only got three games. Messi's team made it all the way to the final and he still couldn't muster much after the group stages.
Messi is a very good player and probably the best attacking player of his generation, but the likes of Pele, Maradona, Zidane and the rest produced the goods big time on the biggest stage of all. When their opportunities came they took them and left no doubt as to their greatness. Messi had the opportunity to do that at this World Cup, but he fell short.
He'll only be 31 at the next World Cup and he might do it then. I see no reason why he couldn't do it. As he matures he might well add even more to his game and take Russia by storm. The opportunity is still there for him.
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