I'd be ok if they could just manage some internal logic to their puritan logic. Goose and gander etc etc.

I'm sure that my puritan outrage, such as it is, is completely consistent. I am an equal opportunities Puritan.

No

My point was Danielle alleges she is only an underwear model - I am dubious about the claim.

Kim and Steven allege they are in love - I don't believe the claim to be true.

Biannca tells us she is a stripper and I do believe her. As someone else has said she has already walked the talk.

There are some people that are consistent, and for me that's a different issue and fair enough- each to their own and all that.

Having said that, the total lack of consistency and plethora of double standards you see year in year out, massively detracts from what is actually quite an entertaining forum IMO.

Winston is nothing but a male version of Bianca (some might say worse) and yet he is seen as a loveable Essex (or rather Kent) cheeky chappie simpleton.

You see slut shaming aplenty on here. It's embarrassing that people still feel the urge to call them 'sluts, slags sti ridden whores with ruined vaginas' etc (and again there is much worse than this on many a thread) and yet defend blokes doing pretty much the same.

The most fascinating thing for me is when you see the number of female posters that do it as it is most definitely not only men. I understand why blokes do it (being one myself) but not quite sure what the mentality is when women do it- is this not akin to punching their own gender (and the steps feminism has made in the last few decades), right in the face?

I'm not trying to name and shame but it's rife round these here parts.

Yes and Steven had trouble removing the lid of the Lube tube and that's why he asked Kimbot to "Open It".

I don't understand why anybody does it.

It's like washing your emotional, psychosexual, neurotic dirty linen in public isn't it?

You would need lube with Steven. *nods*

If you don't at least 'do a Lionel Blair' and tell people to 'suck my cock' on national TV then you're pretty much a square right?

I must admit I don't think anything I see on tv esp not on BB will 'shock' me. I mean I've seen 2 girls and 1 cup and all sorts of other horrific things, and once you've stared agog at what some humans will actually do, (and your 'outrage barometer' has been obliterated), this kind of stuff isn't really that big a deal.

After you've seen the abominations that the world wide web has given to the world, anything else seems mild in comparison. If it doesn't at least involve midgets, donkeys and scat then it's pretty tame in my book.

This is a joke people, I'm not really a totally oddball devient- I mean where am I gonna find a donkey these days...

Not at all so. You really have to go back years to when we saw so much as a nipple.

We had years and years of glamour model type girls keeping it all on and showing noting until they left the house when they posed in the lads mags.

Female HMs stripping off, or even going topless was mainly a thing in earlier BBs.

There has been the occasional under-the-covers fumble throughout the history of BB - during all BBs, and particularly recently, the vast majority do not get involved.

Oh, right. I think she's an underwear model, except when she's not wearing any.

LOL Well put it this way had Pav gone in to the house, sounded off about his carnal desires and on the second night had dropped his pants and started waving his knob about I would have described him as a vulgar little something too.

My issue is not with nudity. Its with vulgarity and gratuitousness. (or should that be gratuity - nah - but that too)

Quite frankly, the first is the only one I have issue with. And that's because of the lying. The others ... if that's what they want to do, more power to them.

I'm not crazy about Biannca though, but it's because she's too loud and pushy. Nothing to do with flashing or making sexual jokes.

Brilliant again.

That's Friday night sorted out!

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The most fascinating thing for me is when you see the number of female posters that do it as it is most definitely not only men. I understand why blokes do it (being one myself) but not quite sure what the mentality is when women do it- is this not akin to punching their own gender (and the steps feminism has made in the last few decades), right in the face?

Internalised sexism due to the relentless 'cradle to grave' sexism dished out by the mainly male driven media. Sadly, similar dynamics have also created the ugly cousin called internalised racism.

The last decade has seen a reverse gear change in respect of both, IMO.

Nudity doesn't bother me, but I guess for some people the difference between Daniel with or without clothes is that it's being done elsewhere and for people to see her, they need to search and click on links. She isn't stripping in the house and being shown on tv.

Steve and Kim in bed getting jiggy, was more cringey, than shocking.

As for Bianca, she is everything she describes on the tin, so for me she isn't shocking, but a lot of people don't want to see that type of thing on an entertainment/game show. I find her constant talking over people far more annoying.

Everyone has different tastes. I judge the housemates on what I see in the house, not what they do outside. Once they leave, I couldn't care less about them.

Whatever the truth it's all very confusing..

I like Biannca. She makes a refreshing change from people who talk the talk before their BB experience, but never quite walk the walk.

Danielle can do whatever she likes, it's the mixed messages I dislike. First we were led to believe she was pure like virgin snow, only purer, then we have seen her in various stages of undress throughout the media. And it's clearly ok to be a webcam girl when you are fully clothed, because the boys (or girls) on the other end are not self pleasuring at all...oh no sir.

Maybe there has been a bit of over compensating going on )from Danielle) in the BB house?

Whatever, I'm completely confused now.

At least with people like Biannca, you know where you stand (or sit for a lapdance).

Funnily enough, in the "no bottoms" *allegedly* shot, she had a pair of nude heels on. I was actually admiring the shoes when I realised they weren't the only nude thing in the pic

These days all kinds of sexual entertainment is just a click away, which is why we don't need it on mainstream tv.

Nobody is going to want panto porn when the real stuff is available online.

That's why saucy shenanigans on BB is just dumb and tedious.

It's about attention-seeking, not titillation, and the objection to it is not necessarily prudish, it's just a hunger for better quality "reality tv" entertainment.

Like real people having real interactions for example.

Why do blokes do it? I don't know and I'm one too. Putting women off behaving like wanton rampant randy wotsits seems like a bloody stupid thing to do.



You can't change the world by blaming men. I think in general it's not men who scupper feminism, just as it's not men who vote out all the women first in BB, just as Maggie T didn't want any other women in her cabinet. Pav wants to kick Steven out, Biannca and Zoe say Kim.

There has always been strong undertones of that here. Not many forums have such a dedicated prude patrol as this one


Things were a lot more free in those times. Now we have prudish censorship bodies like Ofcom, crazy feminists and 'social media campaigns' designed to limit, censor and control what people are allowed to see according to their person feelings. The likes of Twitter and Facebook have a huge prude patrol who love to shout about how 'offended' they are and have competitions for attention about who is most offended, and there are plenty of easily-led adults and kids ready to jump on any bandwagon that is popular. Some of those same people even come to this site

Feminists blame men for everything, it's the default position of their sexist ideology. Notice how some try to divert every anti-Bianca thread into slagging off the males of the house

*Nods in agreement, with a look of wistful nostalgia... *

Outrageous
I would love to pull you on this point but my pussy needs attending to.

Mrs Slocombe!

Feminism is the opposite of sexism.

Thanks for the reply I appreciate it eva. I've asked this question several times before, and think this may be the first time someone's actually taken it on (well excluding the name calling posts or furious angry ones of course )

Genuinely interesting post and points. Personally I wouldn't blame the media entirely (although we could get into quite an in-depth debate on this), especially as in this day and age (and for years actually) the media, and not just women's media has been discussing exactly this 'when a man sleep's around he's a stud, when a woman does it, she's a slag' type of thing. It's been around for years.

I personally don;t think it would be accurate to assume that many women would be so easily influenced by the male driven media these days (and I agree it is male driven). I don't think any educated and/ or informed woman can use it as an excuse in 2014 surely?

I think it goes deeper than this personally (I don't know of course) but genuinely interested to hear yours, or other women's thoughts on it.

I think this cartoon pretty much sums up how female BB contestants are often treated on here-

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