Not blaming just explaining what my conclusions are about this sad state of affairs. To clarify I don't think it's all men either.

Ref. women who vote out women first, that's my point, for some it's internalised sexism ....For some women it will be a rationally driven reason.

Ref. Maggie, again I think her objectives were just rationally driven. Paradoxically, a woman in a powerful position will find it easier to control males than females. So it was
an expedient thing for Maggie to not let other females into the Cabinet.

Ref. Newbies, we've seen Pav being fairly rational/tactical in the discussions whereas the females have been somewhat emotional/personal about their choice. So the females suggestion just adds weight to my view about it being internalised sexism.

I don't care what people do for a career, beats signing on as a career.

I don't wish to see sex on BB, if a couple are genuinely falling in love I like to see this, but I don't need to watch private moments. If you want to watch people doing it, watch an adult movie.

It is the epitome of sexism

Yeah. Quite often, people talk themselves into the show on the basis that they're sexual libertines, prepared to do anything, and then sit on the sofa for two months. Whatever else Biannca may be, she's not one of those guys.

Not everyone would say that, by any means.
http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-th...an-male-issues
Egalitarianism is the opposite of sexism, racism, ageism, heightism, etc.


(By the way, spot the paradox: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexism)

Brilliant post, exactly the way I see it.

I would say there are several different reasons, why blokes can do it but do you mind if I save it for another thread/ forum please YNM?

I'll happily give my opinion on it, but I am far more fascinated to try and get to the bottom of why women do it to other women. Why do some women love to call a woman a slut a slag or way worse. Year after year you see it.

(and I am not of course saying that most or even the majority that do this btw, not even close, but there's a definite & sizeable contingent that do).

Your thoughts accord with my own and the cartoon is very apt. The answer is obviously very multi-faceted, and my original response somewhat lazy, as the reason isn't linear - but that's how my post kinda read.

Consult a... dictionary?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/feminism
I'm talking about feminism, not whatever peculiar spin a certain group happens to give it.

Egalitarianism is the way forward imo.

Well OK I suppose, if you're sure you can't condense it all down to "small cock".



I do get this concept, I really do, although at the same time it does seem a very nebulous sort of term. Blaming a male dominated media doesn't sound very far from those people on the internet who like to blame a jew dominated media for everything. (Edit: just spotted your non-linear comment, so fair enough, I'll stop calling you Hitler on the internet ). On a local level of everyday human interraction, where does "internalised sexism" end and just tending to find women a bit difficult, whether you're a man or a woman, begin? What about queen bee syndrome? That totally does exist. And centre of attention syndrome. Men love to dress up all the same and work as a team; that's our "internalised sexism" if you like. Don't we have to live in the world that has somehow evolved to being the way it is, rather than moan about how much it needs to change all the time? This is what I say to the missus about that freezer door that needs fixing but isn't ruining our lives.

I don't see evidence of this at all. I don't think I've seen a single person excusing the boys' behaviour as banter, or pointing the finger of revulsion at anybody other than Steven for his "open it" comment.

Marlon's comments about Kim were disgusting.
Winston's general conversation is disgusting.
Steven and Kimberly's belief that having sex will win them fans is pathetic.
And Biannca's constant sex talk is just as disgusting as anything that came from the boys.

Stripteases? Not interesting or entertaining for me, but don't bother me in the slightest. It's the constant need to say things and behave in a way that will provoke shock that I find a turn off.

Ha ha. Insecurity is certainly a factor a lot of the time however it might not just be because they're packing a chipolata in their pants!

Well I certainly have, Just because one individual has not seem them, does not of course mean they don't exist.


Well you at least are consistent, so the above is entirely fair enough.

You mention you haven't seen people pointing the finger at anyone other than Steven etc. so let's put that to one side.

Have you even been in a Helen thread? How about a Bianca one? There were loads on Helen, If you have been in them there is no way you can fail to miss all sorts of disgraceful names, slurs and accusations towards them. Slut slag etc is common place.

You can't always tell the gender of posters but you can a hell of a lot of the time. What is your opinion of females that call other females (as in the above mentioned threads), slags, sluts, whores, (and worse), that do not do the same for the boys.

What about them?

Exactly. It is possible to interpret radical feminism, for example, as anti men, but I can`t see how that is possible to interpret liberal feminism, for example, that way. Feminism is an intellectual concept that consists of many different types.

I'm puzzled as to why not enjoying Bianca's 'outrageous' behaviour equals being a puitan

The reason I find it such a turn off in someone, is because it's boring. Someone who uses their sexuality as a means of getting attention, just comes across as desperate to shock, which is utterly, inanely boring.

Besides Bianca's views on how great her tits look and how many men she's slept with or planning on sleeping with, what else is there to her? She's a one dimensional HM with little else to offer.

If people really are titilated by that sort of OTT, in your face, loud, obnoxious raucousness, then more power to them. Not being amused or entertained by it doesn't make you a puritan, however.

It doesn't.

Good to hear, because quotes like:


Make it sound like if you don't enjoy watching a live sex show, you're some sort of prude.

I don't think that the different reactions are at all surprising. What people react to is not sex itself, but the person/couple in question.

Danielle is a bit of an eccentric. So she has lied a bit and is a hypocrite. She is a bit of a nutter, but she seems a but lost to me a lot of the time and has a certain odd charm.

Steven and Kim have a relationship dynamic that has been perceived as controlling and slightly crazed but they are not harming anyone except each other.

Biannca has put a lot of people's backs up because she's a threat to everyone's favourite HMs, I think that's why so many FMs are a bit anxious about who she's going to go for. It's a safe bet that what she says will carry the day because she's a domineering type like Helen.

I don't know that the outrage has anything much to do with sex at all.

I know exactly what you mean but imo anyone with half a brain will not equate not enjoying Bianca, Winston (or anyone else doing similar for that matter) as an automatic prude

For me the issue isn't about whether people enjoy it or not- each to their own I say. I can understand some people may love it, some may hate it, some may be outraged some bored to tears by it, whilst others might not give a monkeys either way. All are acceptable.

The main issue here, is when the outrage is selective or totally inconsistent across genders.

Woman= bad.
Men = no problem, nothing to see here, they're just being #LADZ

Please see my earlier and exclusive to you response.
For me, I don't blame or moan just throw my two penneth worth onto the threads.
In termsi of differentiating when females are acting out of internalised sexism factors or for rationally held beliefs, I tend to go by whether or not a rationale is provided for voting out a female or criticising her; or if it's just emotionally loaded derogatory terms being spouted.
Interestingly, I do believe that sexism cuts both ways, for eg. Look at Winston and his inability to say (maybe even understand or acknowledge to himself) that he found Biannca's first night advances to him uncomfortable.
In terms of fixing that fridge door, howzabout you both fix it together cos it's wasting your food which in turn is creating more landfill and ruining the .......get it fixed the pair of you.

Well, I found Marlon and Ash's 'slutbucket' conversation just as crass and offensive as Bianca's 'Ride your co*k' conversation with Winston after knowing him five minutes. Both are sexist in their own way, imo.
For instance, I believe if Ash or WInston had said to a female HM 'I'm going to pump your pussy' after knowing them five minutes, there would have been complaints and a warning, but Bianca saying it to a man was just seen as her having a laugh.

You can't have one rule for one and not another.

I've been trying to say this for ages!

Trying to get a bit of consistancy and get rid of the double standards and hypocrisy has been my DS BB forum 'mission statement' for a while now

There is a lot of 'shock' and 'horror' at certain behaviours on here. 'Disgusting' is a term I'd personally only be inclined to use in order to describe someone treating another person badly in some way, or I might use in a melodramatic way to describe yicky personal habits.

That said, I'm still not interested in seeing lots of spin the bottle, lots of duvet wobbling or truth or dare games, as such stuff - while fun for those doing it - offers rapidly diminishing returns on a programme like Big Brother, where we're principally interested in watching characters unfolding and revealing themselves.