You are my queen!

I have been saying exactly the same thing (but less eloquently)

The misogyny on here and Big Brother has angered and dismayed me.

Women aren't allowed to have a sex drive or be in control of their sexuality without inviting a barrage of abusive names, yet when a male does it, it's ignored or, at best shrugged off as 'boys being boys'.

Where's the progression? It's 2014 ffs

Men rape women. Maybe that's why?


See above.

Er, um, thanks JLC, but 'King' would be preferable please.


It's outrageous what people say and others indeed encourage and endorse when it comes to slut shaming and misogyny on thread after thread. It's not even about the individual HM as this happens year in, year out. Same same but different. It's a consistent theme.

As I say, when I see females do it to other females (and there are a load that do this, and not just this year) it genuinely interests me, and it makes me wonder what their motivations for doing it are as surely it sets feminism back decades, and plays right into the hands of men or the media or anyone else that does it.

I've had all sorts of abuse when I've had the temerity to raise it before, but it interests me, that's all. I'm not the 'white knight' that is often thrown at me () and the HM in question is largely irrelevant.

This isn't a trick question to anyone, I genuinely am interested in knowing.

I did, and noted it with brackets and a Godwin joke. You make your points well, helped by their being good points.

Haha, it's only one of the little internal doors so it's not spoiling the planet any more than if it was fixed, it's just annoying. She's crap at that sort of thing; more of an electronics kinda gal. Glad to tie up this part of the greater debate.

double standards.

All men and boys do not think as one collective. Neither do all women and girls. All men and boys do not present a show of single minded thought and reaction to any subject, including sexual politics, neither do all women and girls.

The gender of the person reacting to a subject is not relevant. The reactions of the person to a subject are. Gender should not dictate how you react. Observation, empathy, internal thought, reasoning and evaluation are common to both genders and could be used to sift through what are currently presented as societal norms to see if they are fair and reasonable.

A more interesting question would be why they are not.

Ah i've missed you haha Who knows I may even wan't you if i was ever diagnosed BI as Helen say's she was But now to the serious bit your're obviously for equality women's rights e.t.c which is all good. But you contradict this view somewhat by having a go in many of your posts , having a go at the females on here who do call Bianca and Helen e.t.c names. Why aren't they aloud that opinion without you jumping over them regular ?

Well I think we can stop the whole discussion there then.

Totally agree. Superbly put.

I know all this and of course therefore agree.


There are many gender studies which would refute this claim of course and for me it is totally relevant.


Again. With you on this.


Well, yes I agree that is interesting but I'm trying to walk here before we run.

For me personally, I find it way more interesting to debate or try and explore the reasons why a woman may slut shame or go against feminist ideals, much more so than if a man does it.

If you do not, then that's entirely far enough of course.

They are all grubby idiots. Most of us keep our sex lives and interests to ourselves.

Women rape men too. There've been a few cases recently of older women sleeping with young boys. They didn't receive the same sentence as a man may have been given for the same offence though....

However, this isn't about rape. It's about people's attitudes towards sexual behaviour and language in this year's BB. Bianca's comments to Winston were seen as (in her words) 'banter', yet Marlon and Ash's comments were viewed as derogatory and sexist, when in my opinion, they were both as crass and offensive as each other.

My Yorkshire mate, Jack, turned up late to work today.
I said "Ejaculate."

I'm not actually all for women's rights at all if I'm honest with you. Whilst I believe in equality, in the real world it doesn't really affect me and is certainly nothing I care or have a deep passion for. At all. Sorry if this disappoints.

I could argue or make points for all sorts of subjects without even a necessarily believing or agreeing with it. I merely like debating things on the internet from time to time, and when I see hypocrisy and double standards as blatant or as regular as on here I

a) like to point them out on occasion and

b) like to explore and or debate/ discuss why this may be.

I hope that's allowed and ok with you?

It does amuse me how often people mistake an individual posting on a subject (or a HM or anything else for that matter) as having to be deeply invested or serious about it or indeed them.


I'm not trying to be mean to you here, but you couldn't be more wrong.

I haven't contradicted myself. Not once.

I haven't been personal to or called out any individuals either, merely made observations on an internet forum

As for the 'jumping on them', I actually do very little direct 'jumping' on these people, even when a jump from a very large height may be fully deserved. Perhaps I should start.

BIB - Completely futile - a forum is many voices. Do you expect posters to speak with one voice? Only individuals can be inconsistent, and if you tried to point out every individual's inconsistency, you would soon find yourself in breach of the spirit of DS.

It interests me too.

Why do women do it?
Are they jealous?
Are they scared these promiscuous women will target their man?
Why is it never the man's responsibility not to cheat and all the blame is on the woman he cheated with?

I also get so angry and confused at Emma, who is a strong willed, attractive female who seems to hate those very things in other females, does she feel threatened? It's like feminism never happened!

The main thing that angers me about it is I often look like I am defending HMs that I actually dislike myself (but for different reasons) because I don't want to ignore the blatant sexism happening

You're still my queen because you slay

I know a forum is many voices. I have a voice that is allowed to be heard too though right?


No way. Of course not. I generally expect many (in fact the majority) to be against homophobia, racism etc. My inclusion of misogyny or sexism in this isn't much of a stretch is it? Do you not think most people will be against all these things esp in 2014?
(none of these things will ever truly be one voice though, but I'm sure you take the point being made)


If I ever tried to point out every individual's inconsistencies I'd be here for eternity and a day. A man's got to eat you know. .

(ps groups can of course be inconsistent, not just individuals, but that's by the by).

These people ? Well you keep referring to the women on here who you say have not so nice things to say about Bianca or Helen or any female in there. You obviously don't need to jump on individuals to make your views clear to see on this. Deserved why ? Because they don't like a fellow female on a tv show getting naked e.t.c ? Is that such a bad thing to not like ?

The issue isn't about not liking someone. I'd find it totally weird if some of those people were't loathed.

This of course totally misses the point. There is constructive negative criticism, and there is slut shaming sexist double standard claptrap. Massive massive difference.

The issue isn't even whether you hate them, it's whether you think it's ok to call women (any women) sluts slags whores etc..

If you saw someone being racist or homophobic on here (or anything else) would you just sit back and think, yeah fair enough, or do you think perhaps it's not such a bad thing to highlight and discuss such things.

Another thought for the pot: Because it will 'curry favour' from the males, hence secure advantage (almost a form of instant/ self gratification). On this basis, I think females who are more inclined to understand the power of delayed/collective gratification providing longer term gains for self and others are less likely to engage in this type of behaviour.

Exactly the same dynamics wrt racism.

All I saw them say they were interested as to why some women felt the need to call them abusive names for doing things that the men don't get called out for.

It's like women have been seen as less valid human beings by certain people for so many years, and only a woman could understand that, so why then go and treat a fellow woman in the same way?

PS it isn't a bad thing not to like someone getting naked on TV (that's what the remote control is for) but it is a bad thing to watch said woman getting naked on TV after several warnings that it was going to be shown and then logging onto a forum just to call that woman a slag/whore/slut for sharing her body with viewers.
Is the naked body really so disgusting? (excluding John McCririck btw )

Yeah of course there's an issue if the word slut is a good word to use fullstop.

There's other things here though can you name a BB male housemate who's ever said to a female housemate I wan't to fu** your pu*** ? Or i'm going to fu** you ? Or one who's lapdanced/stripped for a female. When it wasn't a task as there have been stripping tasks. I'm merely talking about on BB here this is the BB forum after all.

That's not to say Bianca should be called a slut. Because as I said if the argument is should anyone use that word ever , then that's obviously a totally different point.

Not a bad thing to discuss these things hence why i'm discussing it.

All very interesting. Genuinely. I have my own theories on it, but really want to hear from others and what they think (esp female posters with an opinion on it).

I'd be very very wary of bringing the 'jealous' word into it if I were you, as if you do, all hope for rational debate can go instantly out the window, all your good points will be ignored and this one wimple word is the only thing that will be jumped on. Trust me, I've seen it before many times!

I totally agree with you re Emma, and even more agree with you re how people can make assumptions on you if you dare to post on a HM. I often post on HM's I don't personally have any time for at all. As long as you can add to debate or add a bit of balance and it's relevant, why the hell not eh?

Personally I don't really care who wins. I don't particular care who goes. I'm a 'fan of none of them, and I view them as lab rats effectively. None of this affects me in the real world. I like it that way.


Well I thank you then JesusLeChop, and will graciously accept it. That is very kind of you to say.

Give Bianca a chance, she'll be riding the pink rocket of lust in the house sooner or later.

Excluding McCririck hmm he's entitled like anyone But in another post i've just said if the argument is should words like slut ever be used by anyone at all or not , that's obviously a different point to debate. Of course they can turn over true. An no I love naked bodies preferably females mind One thing though guys do exist that slate other guys for being being players , or to filthy mouthed the use of slutbucket by whoever it was Ash or Marlon can't recall now that was nasty. I for one would of told him so if I was his mate or anywhere near him.