Wow, I'm astonished by some of these comments.

Kim has been seriously messed with by Steven. Emma's refusal to discuss it on BBBOTS (why? She's willing to discuss everyone else's foibles; why not Steven's?) really freaked me out. Why is she so willing for everyone to talk about Kim's alleged boyfriend outside the house, but shuts down any discussion of Steven's alleged (by her own father) girlfriend?


The point of Big Brother is to mess with people's heads. I get that. I'm extremely uncomfortable with them appearing to support what increasingly looks like abuse.

You mean like Steven did?

I think Kim is totally sincere. Why she loves this sorry fool I cannot guess, but she does. She seems very submissive by nature and appears to find him dominant, 'strong', manly etc etc. Most regular viewers do not agree! I can't stand the guy.

I hope she gets away, fast, when BB is over.

She needs to get away from him. Even if she had (and I fully agree she had) a kind of game-plan when she went in no woman deserves to be made to be subservient to the likes of Steven. Sure it's only a game show but he exhibits ALL the signs of the kind of guy that will make a woman's life a total misery.

Controlling guys should be the villains in most if not all cases surely.

For me that should be the bottom line, and 'trump' (for want of a better word) anything Kim may or may not have done.

This isn't really about Kim for me, anyway. It's about any woman having to deal with the likes of the Stevens of the world.

We know that every one in the house also thinks Steven is great. It may only be in the last two days when we see Ash, Winston and Mark start to make fun of him. Before this Steven's 'nice guy' personality was commented on by everyone. Even Biannca, Pav and Zoe all say he is such a nice person.

So why is everyone asking questions of why Kimberly likes/loves Steven.? If everyone else think he's a really nice guy and probably telling Kim that he is really great and that he really likes her, then in a closed house like Big Brother this has pushed her always closer to him. And of course Steven made Kim his target from very first day. This was his obsession. Steven knew she had been in a relationship very recently before they kissed. Just like the married women he likes to chase - this didn't stop him from wanting to own Kim.

So if Kim's relationship with Sasha really is open/on a break then I do not see why so many people dislike her for falling for a guy who is seen as so great by everyone else in the house.

I don't trust Kim as far as I could throw her but Steven bit off more than he could chew in that argument. He thought he could do a re-run of the time he berated Kim about her boyf and he had the moral high ground. This time she wasn't having any more of his sh1t and he couldn't cope with her standing up to him.

after visiting the playboy site , shes def made me grow a fair few inches as well, er .,

towards liking her i mean

Certainly. He's a menace to all women so unfortunate as to cross his path AND find him attractive. I am female BTW and I don't find him even slightly attractive. He's a pudgy fantasist. And so self-obsessed that the word 'narcissist' seems almost too weak to describe him.

Kim does not know that he is lying about being rich, and about being a 'ruthless businessman', and even about having been single pre-BB. He's lied about having visited '119' countries and would seriously struggle to list the names of more than 30, 'visited' or not. He's lied about most things and will continue to lie.

Tonight we saw a very welcome sign that Kim is starting to cotton-on. He of course turned this reaction - even her tears - around to prove how misunderstood and ill-used HE is. BB should let more slip about HIS 'real world' life.

I was really pleased with what Liam and the other lady in the audience said about the steven/Kim situation. Emma really didn't like it because it doesn't toe the party line, and thats because of Stevens family conections to the show. Hope Pav really gets the girls to chose Steven, I want people to see Kim for herself again, the having fun, playing pranks, jumping in the pool Kim.

yet another lying idiotic nasty housemate. get rid

Steven is the male version of that woman from the film Misery i could imagine doing that to kimbot he makes us good guys look bad

so you are a perv

You're in a real minority with that on here, but I think you're probably right.

Also agree with you about Steven tonight. The conversation in the bathroom IMO was about him trying to present himself as a victim of Kim's 'untrustworthy behaviour'. Thus one of the reasons he took so badly to Kim getting upset. He was meant to come out as the victim and by crying she was in danger of usurping his role.

I 100% agree with this. I was with a guy exactly like Steven and when we split I did a lot of reading up on Narcissists and one thing they said is a Narcissist will go for a challenge - married women, a playboy model, etc. The more "difficult" the target – the more rewarding the narcissistic outcome.

I think his whole back story about the married woman is BS. I do believe he had an affair with a married woman but I believe he knew she was married and pursued her. I think him saying he found out after he'd fallen for her was a load of crap he told his family so he wouldn't look like the bad guy and he'd look like the victim.

As much as I can't stand Steven, I find it fascinating in a train wreck sort of way.

Absolutely right. Hard to believe that some people buy into that particular dance of delight.

I 100% agree with you Ioana, you are spot on and this is what I really cannot get myself. But certain people on this forum do not need much reason to think badly of her because they have loathed her ever since she got closer to Helen in the house. People turned on Jale for the exact same reasons. So no shock there is there.

Yes, I totally agree. Let's hope that Steven does go and we see the real Kim for the rest of the series.

I can understand why some people don't like her, but I don't get why people might dislike her to the extent that they'd want to make her out to be the worst one out of the 2 when it comes to people like Steven.

Each to their own but even if it were Toya or Pauline or any other past female villain, I'd say the same.

It's not healthy to be around a person like that. I'm not for a second saying he will go onto do anything that may be properly bad but the controlling nature and emotional manipulation in EVERY conversation he has with her is pretty clear. He wants a doormat that does things his way and only his way, not an equal partner.

I hope she wakes up and smells the coffee at the very least.

She would change if Steven was evicted and start enjoying herself again, but if she was evicted Steven would flip out.....

Yes, you are so right, I cannot get my head round this either. The worst thing that Kim has done is have sex in the house. The same that Steven has (but he's a man and doesn't get the flack for it) But I think there is more to it and the dislike is more the fact that Kim is liking Helen and most of the forum dislike Helen so much so dislike Kim as well because she is a woman and they cannot get at Helen herself because of the pass to the final

Exactly tHe same reason that Jale went last week.

She was proud of being shagged on Tv behind her BF's back with Steven.

There both arseholes IMO.

I just don't want to see that smug face of Stevens on my TV, he is a total idiot and control freak. Why should he stay over Kim when his behaviour has been so appalling.

No, I wouldn't say she was proud, but she was not ashamed of it either. She has told Danielle that she doesn't care what others think so good for her. I personally do not want to see sex on BB, but it won't be the first or the last. You watch it or you don't and you turn off if you don't like it.

I agree with you he is a smug git who's heading for a big fall in life.....

Oh, I hope so and that rotten family of his as well.