Danielle is the one who invites scrutiny, bacuse of her narrow minded judgements on the behaviour of others. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And since she's the one who keeps bringing up her religion, no, her method of earning a living doesn't hold up well to close scrutiny in regard to her religious beliefs.If she's flawed , as we all are, fine, but admit it Danielle. It's her self delusion that's irritating.

Now, I cannot deny that she invites scrutiny. Agreed. But what are her narrow minded judgements? I am genuinely interested. The idea she doesn't like promiscuity, for example? Surely that is an acceptable viewpoint, no more or less valid than those who believe you should sleep with as many people as you want? That she frowned upon the sex talk etc?


Agreed, her career choice in line with her beliefs, absolutely invites scrutiny, and isn't without conflict. And yes, also agreed that she shouldn't have said she didn't do top less, for example, when she did. I can actually also see why her not seemingly admitting things, to herself, would irritate, yes.

I couldn't give a rat's ass what kind of catholic she is. She said she disagrees with gay marriage because the pope does. Well her religion has a lot to say about many of her behaviours too. My point, for the umpteenth time, is her hypocrisy and the exploitation of her faith. Simply that. Are you willfully misunderstanding or just genuinely not getting it?

And when you accuse me of being "someone who professes to near expert status in their understanding of Catholicism"...direct me to where I've said or even suggested this. I don't appreciate the snarky tone or the lie. I even said explicitly that anyone raised catholic in a standard way knows this stuff. You don't need to be a theologian.

Fabulous post especially bib.

and herein lies the truth, practising Catholics and even non practising can see the flaws & misrepresentation of the Catholic religion in Danielles portrayal & lifestyle choice. Quite frankly It's ludicrious.

She has used religion & virginity as her USP and when her chosen profession & apparent devout beliefs were scrutnised and questioned, the whole sorry story fell to pieces.

I truly appreaciate that we all hold different opinions on people, but come on, Danielle McMahons story has more holes than a swiss cheese.

Here we go again. Didn't you allude your superior understanding of Catholicism, based on your background? I'm sorry you don't appreciate my tone, I don't appreciate yours when you get so angry at myself or others who don't hold your view, because they, apparently, just can't be getting it.

So you are annoyed that she disagrees with gay marriage because the head of her church teaches that? Because you feel there are aspects of her life where she has made her own choices, and her holding this view, because it is church teaching, makes her a hypocrite because she holds to this, whilst deciding for herself on other issues, yes? But isn't the same as any person of any religion, walking the line between the teachings and their religion.

To use your phrase, for the umpteenth time, I don't agree with your views. I have also replied to points that were indeed raised. I don't think she has exploited her faith, and whilst I do agree there are aspects of her behaviour that may be considered hypocritical, yes, I don't agree that because some of that is related to her religious beliefs, that makes her worse than anybody else.

Another assumption, how do you know what my background, or anyone else's on the forum is? Enough with the speaking for everyone. How do you know what all people of a Catholic background think? How do you know who is or isn't a Catholic, practising or otherwise?

I agree that her career choices invite scrutiny, and, there are conflicts, of course. I even agree that she played up her religion in ways she possibly shouldn't have, then again, she identifies as Catholic, attends church, as far as we know, so if she wished to discuss her religion, it was up to her.

Actually I've done an about face.......and come to see and have been converted to the truth and seen the light.

Danielle is a wonderful honest, clean living, good catholic girl, was the bestest housemate and I will be her fan for life.

Get over yourself, you don't know my religion either., so don't deem to berate me for using my brain and logic to see what is in front of my face. I never presumed to speak for you..but It's as plain as the nose on your face, she is at best delusional and worst a lying hypocrite.

Unlike you, I didn't suggest I did. Or that I had a magical insight into what Catholics, practising or otherwise, would think. Your brain and logic may well be flawed then, if you believe people of certain backgrounds must automatically see things as you do, and in suggesting all Catholics would see things they way you do, that is what you did.

Wasting your time responding as the staunch fan of the staunch(?) catholic is perhaps, maybe not open to discussion. (being careful what I say as I beleive there is a snitch about....... the type that goads you to anger til you post something that will be reported..you get the warning from DS and the snitch carries onto to another target.)

Did I now. Well then shoot me, or excommunicate me! I do however, have a pretty good insight into the teachings of the Holy Roman Catholic Church and it's doctrines. However, I do appreciate by saying this & proffering an opinion as to what I perceive most practising and non practising catholics would logically conclude, re one, Ms. Danielle McMahon, I have offended you which, of course was not my intention

Again, you seem to assume you know what all Catholics think, or what other forum members think. You may well have the insight you claim, as may others. But you didn't proffer an opinion, did you, you spoke for huge swathes of the population, made assumptions about forum members, and claimed it as truth.

Or in Danielle's case a YES YES

I purposefully excluded the rest as there was just one bit that I wanted to comment on as to me, it seemed so out of place (well for here anyway)

You claimed that no one would judge someone for having 'posed for Lads' Mags, done webcam "chats", posing nude'.

Anyone who knows this forum knows that not only is this not the case, but I'd go so far as to say I'd find it hard to find anyway that is MORE judgemental and negative to women who do that kind of stuff.


Well you're also entitled to your opinion, even one that states you think people are non judgemental round here.

I already totally understand the problem people have with Danielle's hypocrisy and have posted as much myself hence me leaving that out of my reply.

You are right I certainly don't fall in with the majority. I find this a good thing.

Yes, I do, all 1.2 billion Roman Catholics in the World. I can confirm it here today, the 20th July 2014. I'm going on Mastermind..think I'll walk it.

That's good that you are admitting what you said...wouldn't want there to be any hypocrisy now, would we....

Good luck on Mastermind.

Why thank you. As for the hypocrisy remark, well darling, if you have ever seen any of my posts, I am one of the rare fm's that actually admit to hypocrsy, not intentionally done I might add but like every fm and housemate, we're all guilty of it. I do not however, tolerate being called disingenuous or passive aggressive. just in case we ever communicate again.x

I am a practicing Catholic and I have read through all of the posts here. What I have seen for the most part is the same claptrap I see all over the web from people who can't be bothered to find out what we really believe but like to berate any religious people who they think want to spoil their fun. No one is making any of you live by the rules of the Catholic Church and this is not the place for a debate about those rules and beliefs.

The thing is that Danielle presented herself as a "strict Catholic", whatever that is. If she was a practicing Catholic she wouldn't have gone into the Big Brother House unless she had been allowed to go to Mass on a Sunday. To miss Mass on a Sunday or Holyday of obligation is a mortal sin. So I was onto her straight away. Another dead give away was the fact that she doesn't even know how to make the sign of the Cross and we don't wrap our rosaries around our hands when praying. The Rosary is for praying the Rosary. I'm not saying that Danielle is not a Catholic but she has been given some lousy religious education.

What I couldn't stand about Danielle was the way in which she used the Catholic Church and twisted our beliefs to suit her own agenda. I don't care what she does for a living, that's her business. Why couldn't she just be honest about it?

Welcome, darling.

Your tolerations or lack thereof are your own, thanks for outlining . I'm unclear who has called you either, perhaps these words come to mind for reasons of your own...or perhaps someone indeed suggested you were one or both of these, I have no idea.
I, personally, wouldn't have chosen either.

It may well be that in the past you have done what you say. I have no idea.

Exactly! Nor did she go to confession... I was brought up strict Catholic when it was a sin to not go to Church on Sunday and Friday confessional was obligatory.
Don't know the rules now as I'm no longer a Catholic

Lost me.. a bit way over my head or lacking in clarification...who can tell.

Anyhoo, just to clarify for you, I have self admitted to, on occasion being hypocritical, thought I had made that clear Don't see where the confusion lies, but anyway...all good. No need for any of us to get bent out of shape. Enjoy your Sunday, I'm enjoying mine. x

This. Spot On.

Well, I must confess to being somewhat confused on your post, also, or what it was about. Perhaps we can agree on that one thing, then, and I am with you that there is no need for any of us to get bent out of shape. It's just, pretty meaningless, chat on a discussion forum, isn't it. To each their own.

And you, hope you enjoy what's left of your. Sunday.

Thanks Verityvee.x It's nearly 7pm... wine time I think