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Danielle: its just a job. no sorry.
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Conehead
20-07-2014
If Jesus was in that house he would be in the "boring" gang.
sula
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by Verityvee:
“On your first point, in my opinion, there is no excuse for that sort of language, but that isn't a matter of religion, it is a matter of human behaviour. I have also heard equally inappropriate comments about Danielle's religion, however. And similar comments whereby people make them and aren't aware many consider them unacceptable. As for her personal views on men being considered less...judged in sleeping around. In my opinion, they are, yet I don't agree with her views in this in any way, in terms of it being acceptable. But again, just because someone attends church doesn't mean they aren't human, or have their personal views.

As for your second point, I too have lost count on the many times this has been repeated. There is absolutely no issue, whatsoever, in my opinion, with Danielle working as a glamour model, and choosing not to have sex before marriage and attending church. It may be an odd career choice, yes, but I judge her no more than I would judge any glamour model, which would be not at all. I don't consider than because she is religious, or makes her decision on her sex life, that she has done anything wrong, no.

There is nothing to say glamour models can't be religious, just as nothing to say they can be. Nothing to say they can't choose not to have sex, in the same way there is nothing to say they can't choose to sleep with who they want. Because Danielle chose to work as a glamour model, doesn't mean she cannot hold her religious beliefs,or attend church.

There appear to be two fundamentally different viewpoints on the forum, those who feel she can work as a glamour model, yet still attend church and hold her views, and those who, I think, seem to feel that in so doing, she cannot hold her views, or shouldn't, and that she is some form of hypocrite. Everyone is entitled to their view.”

I cannot believe you can continue to be so obtuse as to not understand the difference between holding contradictory positions on the one hand and STANDING IN JUDGMENT on others on the other.

Nobody cares if she's a Catholic gone bad, except maybe her priest. It's the fact that she JUDGED others for less than she had done herself and LIED repeatedly.

It was Danielle herself who implied that some types of behaviour are incompatible with her high moral code, a code that is now revealed to be no more than a self-marketing scam. We saw the real danielle when she was cussing like the belligerent, back alley, low rent 'modd-elle' that she really is.
purplesky
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“Or concocting a ridiculous persona with the help of repugnant Dexter Koh”

Indeed. Oily little twerp.
Verityvee
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by sula:
“I cannot believe you can continue to be so obtuse as to not understand the difference between holding contradictory positions on the one hand and STANDING IN JUDGMENT on others on the other.

Nobody cares if she's a Catholic gone bad, except maybe her priest. It's the fact that she JUDGED others for less than she had done herself and LIED repeatedly.

It was Danielle herself who implied that some types of behaviour are incompatible with her high moral code, a code that is now revealed to be no more than a self-marketing scam. We saw the real danielle when she was cussing like the belligerent, back alley, low rent 'modd-elle' that she really is.”

I cannot believe that the only way you have of expressing your view is to suggest someone is obtuse, just because they don't agree with you. You may think me obtuse, that is your right. I consider you arrogant for believing that because someone doesn't agree with you, they have a problem in understanding.

Capitalising words will not aid your efforts to browbeat others into submitting to your view.

As for standing in judgment of others, I would direct you to many post on the forum about Danielle, or some people's comments about religion. We all make judgements, just as you are doing about Danielle, are you not?
John_Clarkson
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by sula:
“Nobody cares if she's a Catholic gone bad, except maybe her priest. It's the fact that she JUDGED others for less than she had done herself and LIED repeatedly.”

Exactly this. If she hadn't climbed on her high horse and gone on a one woman holier-than-thou campaign against swearing & sexually provocative behaviour, calling her fellow housemates things like 'vile' and 'disgusting' for doing less than she herself has done, then I'd not have such an issue with her. She looked down on her housemates, claiming to have the moral high ground, and expressed shock and outrage at their behaviour, when she herself has (by her own standards) done worse.

She wielded her religious belief like a weapon in that house, a club to beat others with.
John_Clarkson
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by Verityvee:
“I cannot believe that the only way you have of expressing your view is to suggest someone is obtuse, just because they don't agree with you. You may think me obtuse, that is your right. I consider you arrogant for believing that because someone doesn't agree with you, they have a problem in understanding.

Capitalising words will not aid your efforts to browbeat others into submitting to your view.”

I don't think the other poster was suggesting you are obtuse because you disagree with them. I think they were suggesting you were obtuse because you summarised the viewpoints of those that disagree with you in such a way that indicates that you do not understand it. Likewise, I do not think the capitalisation was done to browbeat someone (don't even know how that would work), but to draw attention to the point that you seem to have missed.
sula
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by Verityvee:
“I cannot believe that the only way you have of expressing your view is to suggest someone is obtuse, just because they don't agree with you. You may think me obtuse, that is your right. I consider you arrogant for believing that because someone doesn't agree with you, they have a problem in understanding.

Capitalising words will not aid your efforts to browbeat others into submitting to your view.

As for standing in judgment of others, I would direct you to many post on the forum about Danielle, or some people's comments about religion. We all make judgements, just as you are doing about Danielle, are you not?”

You seem to have a problem understanding and accepting Danielle's rather base motives for doing what she has done. She got off lightly in BBOTS: I would like to know why, if she's such a 'laydee' who likes French Fudd and going out with stockbrokers, she didn't bother getting an education and a proper job. But this question was shut down. I imagine she's the type who would be quite happy to live off other people no matter the cost to her 'morality' as long as it kept her in cheap clothes and she didn't have to do an honest day's work.

Yes, I am judging Danielle. Nobody cares about the sex work but nobody likes a liar, and I will judge someone who seems to have so little judgment themselves and still seems to think she can blag her way out of this and get her reward in the form of a big pay day from the papers. She's no role model, that's for sure. (and, yes, that's what she said she wanted to be for young girls)

But I don't expect you to agree, so let's leave it there.
sula
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by John_Clarkson:
“I don't think the other poster was suggesting you are obtuse because you disagree with them. I think they were suggesting you were obtuse because you summarised the viewpoints of those that disagree with you in such a way that indicates that you do not understand it. Likewise, I do not think the capitalisation was done to browbeat someone (don't even know how that would work), but to draw attention to the point that you seem to have missed.”

Thank you! Didn't see your post when I posted my own response.
Verityvee
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by sula:
“You seem to have a problem understanding and accepting Danielle's rather base motives for doing what she has done. She got off lightly in BBOTS: I would like to know why, if she's such a 'laydee' who likes French Fudd and going out with stockbrokers, she didn't bother getting an education and a proper job. But this question was shut down. I imagine she's the type who would be quite happy to live off other people no matter the cost to her 'morality' as long as it kept her in cheap clothes and she didn't have to do an honest day's work.

Yes, I am judging Danielle. Nobody cares about the sex work but nobody likes a liar, and I will judge someone who seems to have so little judgment themselves and still seems to think she can blag her way out of this and get her reward in the form of a big pay day from the papers. She's no role model, that's for sure. (and, yes, that's what she said she wanted to be for young girls)

But I don't expect you to agree, so let's leave it there.”


Here we go again, with my apparent problem in misunderstanding. Are you aware that you throw out that accusation rather a lot. I have an apparent difficulty in understanding, which I wouldn't have if I held your view. Hmmmm.

I don't agree with you. It really is that simple. I like Danielle, as do many others. In no way do I see it as at all incomprehensible that someone could be a glamour model and hold the views she does, or attend church. I don't think that because someone has modelled top less, they necessarily enjoy sex talk or sexually based swearing. And, given her views, I fully understand why she might judge those who are gleeful about promiscuity, in the same way I understand those who may not agree with her views on sex before marriage.

Yes, as we all know, she has exaggerated and not been fully honest on things. I see these as very minor things, in the context of the show and others in there. Steven with his lies on wealth, Helen with her cruelty and poor treatment of others, when she expects people to forget her past and not be judged herself. Etc etc.

Danielle has attracted extreme vitriol from some, for, what I see as nothing more than playing up her views. You are correct I don't agree with you, at all. And I certainly don't agree with you trying to browbeat people in agreeing with you by telling them how much they must misunderstand you, repeatedly. Unlike you, I understand that we are all entitled to our own opinions.
Verityvee
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by John_Clarkson:
“I don't think the other poster was suggesting you are obtuse because you disagree with them. I think they were suggesting you were obtuse because you summarised the viewpoints of those that disagree with you in such a way that indicates that you do not understand it. Likewise, I do not think the capitalisation was done to browbeat someone (don't even know how that would work), but to draw attention to the point that you seem to have missed.”

I think he was, just as he has previously on the issue whenever I haven't agreed with his points. I don't think I have any problem in understanding, and my summary of points were points that have been raised. Given your view on Danielle, it may well be that you would like to write my summary, as you see it, but I wrote it as I see it, hence it being my post, not yours.

The capitalisation of words, to me, appeared indicative of this particular posters inability to understand we all have our own opinions, capitalising words in what appeared to me a clear frustration and annoyance that others have a different view, and his or her inability to express views without calling someone obtuse.

I don't feel I have missed the point at all, them again, I feel that, given your view you may have missed the point in terms of Danielle. To each their own.
moag
20-07-2014
It's a job it pays her bills . I have a friend who does sex chats on phone, she is a happily married with 2 kids, she is a just a mum trying to provide for her family, a lot of people on here are taking the moral high line that if you, work in that sort of industry you are not a good person with high morals. A lot of you need to get a life




















Yer
sula
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by Verityvee:
“Here we go again, with my apparent problem in misunderstanding. Are you aware that you throw out that accusation rather a lot. I have an apparent difficulty in understanding, which I wouldn't have if I held your view. Hmmmm.

I don't agree with you. It really is that simple. I like Danielle, as do many others. In no way do I see it as at all incomprehensible that someone could be a glamour model and hold the views she does, or attend church. I don't think that because someone has modelled top less, they necessarily enjoy sex talk or sexually based swearing. And, given her views, I fully understand why she might judge those who are gleeful about promiscuity, in the same way I understand those who may not agree with her views on sex before marriage.

Yes, as we all know, she has exaggerated and not been fully honest on things. I see these as very minor things, in the context of the show and others in there. Steven with his lies on wealth, Helen with her cruelty and poor treatment of others, when she expects people to forget her past and not be judged herself. Etc etc.

Danielle has attracted extreme vitriol from some, for, what I see as nothing more than playing up her views. You are correct I don't agree with you, at all. And I certainly don't agree with you trying to browbeat people in agreeing with you by telling them how much they must misunderstand you, repeatedly. Unlike you, I understand that we are all entitled to our own opinions.”

Let me break this down: I do not see it as at all incomprehensible that someone could be a glamour model and hold the views she does or attend church.

Recognise those words? They're yours, but I agree. I totally agree that there need be no contradiction between going to church and operating within the sex industry at some level. It's not ideal but ,hey, I'm sure the Mafia still go to Mass etc.

That is not what my issue with Danielle is all about. If you still refuse to understand then I can only assume you are either willfully avoiding confronting the issue or, like Danielle, the truth is, for you, a rather malleable concept.
daddynomates
20-07-2014
wow.

After 6 years this has gotta be the longest thread i ever started.

I don't like Danielle, but, putting her name in the title has brought a lot of debate and loads of replies. Does that mean she was a good BB housemate ??

I hated Rex all them years back, but he dominated that series and made it addictive for me. So What makes a good BB housemate ? Do we have to like them ?

interesting.
Flight815-23D
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by sula:
“I cannot believe you can continue to be so obtuse as to not understand the difference between holding contradictory positions on the one hand and STANDING IN JUDGMENT on others on the other.

Nobody cares if she's a Catholic gone bad, except maybe her priest. It's the fact that she JUDGED others for less than she had done herself and LIED repeatedly.

It was Danielle herself who implied that some types of behaviour are incompatible with her high moral code, a code that is now revealed to be no more than a self-marketing scam. We saw the real danielle when she was cussing like the belligerent, back alley, low rent 'modd-elle' that she really is.”

This is why all these arguments against her keep falling apart. None of you agree on exactly why you don't like her, but you all keep speaking as if you speak for everyone, including flat out lying about what other people have said. Many HAVE said it's because she's Catholic gone bad. Others insist that's completely irrelevant.

Meanwhile, people saying it's irrelevant will quote someone replying to one who says it is, and try to use their own position to suggest the one they're quoting is wrong. If you all can't get on the same page (and nobody really expects you to), you should at least pay attention to what the others on your "team" are saying.
daddynomates
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by Flight815-23D:
“This is why all these arguments against her keep falling apart. None of you agree on exactly why you don't like her, but you all keep speaking as if you speak for everyone, including flat out lying about what other people have said. Many HAVE said it's because she's Catholic gone bad. Others insist that's completely irrelevant.

Meanwhile, people saying it's irrelevant will quote someone replying to one who says it is, and try to use their own position to suggest the one they're quoting is wrong. If you all can't get on the same page (and nobody really expects you to), you should at least pay attention to what the others on your "team" are saying.”

Its saturday night. or Sunday morning. we're all drunk
Verityvee
20-07-2014
[quote=sula;73804514]Let me break this down: I do not see it as at all incomprehensible that someone could be a glamour model and hold the views she does or attend church.

Recognise those words? They're yours, but I agree. I totally agree that there need be no contradiction between going to church and operating within the sex industry at some level. It's not ideal but ,hey, I'm sure the Mafia still go to Mass etc.

That is not what my issue with Danielle is all about. If you still refuse to understand then I can only assume you are either willfully avoiding confronting the issue or, like Danielle, the truth is, for you, a rather malleable concept. Quote.



Again, you feel the need to make comments, now the truth is, apparently a malleable concept for me. Why not let your opinion stand on its own merit, rather than telling people they have problems with understanding, are obtuse, or that there is something wrong with their concept of truth. It is rude, and unnecessary.

You seem personally angry and threatened that I don't agree with you. Telling me I refuse to understand, again, reinforces this. I don't agree.

And, to further note, this thread is not just about you and your view. Many views have been expressed. When commenting, people aren't writing posts solely based on you, your views or opinions, except of course when replying or communicating with you directly. Which is difficult to do since you continually suggest there some issue with someone's understanding....because they don't agree, with you personally.
Verityvee
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by Flight815-23D:
“This is why all these arguments against her keep falling apart. None of you agree on exactly why you don't like her, but you all keep speaking as if you speak for everyone, including flat out lying about what other people have said. Many HAVE said it's because she's Catholic gone bad. Others insist that's completely irrelevant.

Meanwhile, people saying it's irrelevant will quote someone replying to one who says it is, and try to use their own position to suggest the one they're quoting is wrong. If you all can't get on the same page (and nobody really expects you to), you should at least pay attention to what the others on your "team" are saying.”

This. Absolutely this. Thank you.
COSIMA1
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by rolergirl:
“Do you ever feel you're like banging your head against a brick wall trying to get some people (not specifically this user) to understand?”

None are so blind as those who will not see.

What's blatantly obvious, to the intelligent educated observers, cannot be explained to the partial fan who has invested so much energy in defending their idol.
Verityvee
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by COSIMA1:
“None are so blind as those who will not see.

What's blatantly obvious, to the intelligent educated observers, cannot be explained to the partial fan who has invested so much energy in defending their idol.”

I agree. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

One might wonder why someone would invest so much energy, start multiple threads, post lots of comments, for example, on someone they, apparently dislike so much. The intelligent educated observer you refer to, could be likely to wonder why those who apparently think Danielle such a terrible person, are so...beguiled by her that she appears to be on their mind rather a lot.
COSIMA1
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by daddynomates:
“Its saturday night. or Sunday morning. we're all drunk”

And the subject of all this insomnia inducing wrangle is fast alseep,
after saying her hail marys', our fathers, blessed herself with holy water
and kissed the cross three times.

Early night so she can be up in the morning for Mass.
COSIMA1
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by Verityvee:
“I agree. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

One might wonder why someone would invest so much energy, start multiple threads, post lots of comments, for example, on someone they, apparently dislike so much. The intelligent educated observer you refer to, could be likely to wonder why those who apparently think Danielle such a terrible person, are so...beguiled by her that she appears to be on their mind rather a lot.”

ooooooh I've never used the word dislike.

As for multple threads and zillions of posts, great fun isn't it.
Verityvee
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by COSIMA1:
“ooooooh I've never used the word dislike.

As for multple threads and zillions of posts, great fun isn't it.”

Well, that's great that Danielle has entertained you so much. Based on how much attention she generates, you are not alone, and it looks like she will do very well from BB.
eddeva
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by daddynomates:
“Its saturday night. or Sunday morning. we're all drunk”

I'll thank you to speak for yourself!
I'm a good, classy, roman catholic lady who is so devoted to her faith that I managed to go to a private roman catholic school in Cumbernauld even though there aren't any!
I would never get drunk, or have sex, or say 'penis', or get my bits out for cash ..... err hang on a minute ......



anywayz - a went tey finishin school so a talk more better thin all youz fukin weirdoz,

sure you did Danielle
COSIMA1
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by Flight815-23D:
“She didn't do that. She said she didn't like things and didn't want to participate in them. Much like the Helen example, the other hm's took it upon themselves to be insulted by that, rather than just acknowledge she doesn't like the same things they do. This is no different than when there is an alcoholic in the house who no longer drinks. They won't take part of the alcohol, and sometimes remove themselves from the room. And sometimes, we get a total **** like Caroline who thinks the alcoholic is just being moody or preachy, and uses that to justify stealing from them.

In this scenario, some of the other hm's are taking Caroline's role. Danielle is different, Danielle disagrees with some things they do, therefore, they are justified to twist her words, mischaracterize her behavior, and treat her like shit for it.”

Maybe I'm being dim........but when Danielle said she'd had oral (sex) spelling it out like a coy teenager (roll eyes).......would that be considered as 'having sex' or not?

To put it in Jeremy Kyle's category. Did she have sexual contact with someone.

Or is she so very clever that she can now say......the oral meant only saying sexual words.
Last edited by COSIMA1 : 20-07-2014 at 03:32
sula
20-07-2014
Originally Posted by Verityvee:
“Well, that's great that Danielle has entertained you so much. Based on how much attention she generates, you are not alone, and it looks like she will do very well from BB.”


I hope she makes oodles of filthy cash and disappears abroad to set up a home for abused donkeys.

Meanwhile, back at the end of my post number 157 I stated that I didn't expect you to agree and that we could just leave it there.
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