And I got my profile package by taking some of that Imogen (who had sex with a footballer and got her into BB) and Danica (who had class, rinsed men on the web, posed with a horse and did Nutz mag shots and laaaaaaaangeeeeerayyyy modlin. which got her in
to BB)

I don't have their natural beauty so I had to come up with something special.......MY GOLDEN NUGGET.

Love the abused donkeys bit.

Wasn't there an old film about a nun and some donkeys? oh just remembered A Mule for Sister Sarah.

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I might almost miss her, she was such a ridiculous spectacle.

I think she is likely to do very well, so that is good to hear you wish her well.

It seems somewhere along the road you got the impression that when you spoke, others should simply obey. It's nice that you point out what you stated, how lovely for you. I'm sorry if I didn't obey your edict. Imagine that, someone making their own mind up...But, of course, what you decide, only applies to you.

Good post....I like it

Little whisper in your ear 'I think you-know-who is gonna keep adding to your posts regardless' tee hee

Oh dear, am I infringing on your Danielle-fest. Shame, that.

Now I could come up with some witty retort to that......but I think I'll go and made a coffee instead.

Or just likes arguing?

She's not a housemate anymore!

And I didn't suggest violence towards her, I'd just do it.

making a quote about my own quote......

Can I ask you Verity if saying you would do something violent to a housemate is really terribly unacceptable?

A yes or no answer would suffice

She just should have been honest! Owned it.

Humans contradict themselves all the time but it was silly for Danielle to try avoid being judged by holding back the details of her life and profession and then go on BB and judge the actions and choices of those she found herself living with. If you do that people are going to wonder why you feel you have the right to do so. What makes you so angelic?

So I think to say it's just a job is fine, but in the case of the religious "I just go by what the pope says" virgin vs. the cam girl/Nuts 10 Rude Questions centerfold I think some scrutiny is expected. It isn't a simple case of working at McDonald's and not liking Chicken Nuggets.

Of course Danielle owes the real world nothing, she can do what she wants and live how she pleases. But in the BB world, it's not a shock that people want an explanation, is it? And not everyone wants to judge her, some just want to understand her.

What I'm MOST annoyed with however is when Danielle was on BOTS and Vanessa was actually asking the tough questions about why Danielle was in the line of work she's in rather than something more suited to who she says she actually is, whatshername with the VV Brown hair roll shut it all down! I wanted to hear what she had to say and I think the question was justified.

Danielle put herself in this position, not us, knowing that the probing questions were out there lurking waiting to be answered.

I'm not a Vanessa fan at all, but I agree with you here. And for the Rachel Morris to then say something about the programme, or Vanessa NOT being therapy, or a therapist and to continue to try and shout Vanessa down was ridiculous. Isn't this called "BB's bit on the psych"? Vanessa's query, which (for a change) was not asked in an unpleasant fashion was simple. Danielle could have chosen any profession (especially since her parents have spent a fortune, allegedly, on her private education and a finishing school!!!) and yet here she is in the sex industry. Don't say it's modelling. Ask the men who pay the bills whether there is any sex involved and I think we know what their answer will be. They're not contacting her for tips on removing stains from their shag pile.

I just suddenly realised when people are berating her for being a liar I see someone willing to play the game, now whether she played it well or not is a question but BB changed a while ago and I now expect and enjoy people who can play the game well and recognise it for what it is a game show.
She has admitted she was playing a game, I don't see that as abhorrent or hypocritical just something anyone can do when they enter the house.

She's got nothing to apologise for.

Im sorry but there IS something in Catholicism about Danielle's choice of profession. I agree with your opinion for what it's worth that her career should be irrelevant but the catholic church would not. It isn't about our opinion, it's about the principles which she herself, NOT US, has chosen to live by. The doctrine that she repeatedly judges OTHERS by.

I know many moderate Catholics who don't agree with the church's stance on, say, gay marriage or sex before marriage, and who don't believe in creationism. But they acknowledge their views contradict their church's teachings. Going by her views, Danielle isn't a moderate. That's the problem people are having. The hypocrisy between her staunch beliefs and what she does herself.

Danielle openly said she HAS to follow what the pope says. Well she doesnt. Not in her career and personal behaviour. That's not an opinion to debate. It's a fact based on catholic doctrine. But even that would be fine, except she hoisted herself by her own petard every time she used her religion to judge someone else. There's a very clear message in the bible about "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".



Nail on head, thank you.

But even after you posted this, someone else came in to criticise people for judging Danielle's choice of career, totally missing the point. I suspect we're wasting our time.

Ok I liked Danielle as a HM. I'm annoyed she went in a stupid twist where there was no vote and I think essentially deep down she's a really good and kind person.

I don't care a jot that she does what she does for a living, I don't care at all that she believes her job is compatible with her beliefs, that's up to her to decide, it's not my place to judge her belief system.

What I do have a problem with is her standing in judgement on the other HMs calling people slags, the faux outrage at so many things, which she has admitted to. I just don't think it was nice to guilt trip so many people and be the cause of a vast amount of the problems in the first few weeks based on a fake/constructed viewpoint.

Why would Danielle say sorry OP. So what if she has had sex or poses in her bra, if it was a game she was playing it's not really a big deal is it. It hasn't made a difference to my life so I don't feel she owes me an apology.

I agree. Rachel Morris was overstepping the mark when she acted like arbiter. Leave Rylan do that. There's a reason Danielle got booed and it wasn't because of her job or because of her faith. It's because 50% of what came out of her mouth was bullshit...whether that was the hypocritical nonsense on chastity, the hammy faux diary room rants acted so badly that I cringed for her, the "I'll go through her like a tonne of bricks" empty grandstanding when she left Ashleigh to face down Helen alone, the two-faced way she treated friends like Kim and Christopher, the tittle tattling between groups, the lies about not smoking or knowing what porn was, the outrage about unclassy behaviour, nudity or swearing from a topless webcam girl who swore like a docker, the disgraceful exploitation of her faith when she prayed out loud to be a success in BB, which no true catholic would ever do publicly.

The psyche show should have been unravelling the contradictions but Morris and Funke blew smoke up her arse. That said, I think they know she's a very weak, psychologically fragile person who'd disassemble if all that cognitive dissonance fell apart.

If she was as bad as you say then BOTS is not the place to air it and Rylan is not the person to arbitrate anything.

I think you have made a number of assumptions in your post. In fact, you seem to be painting some of your opinion as fact. It isn't. I'm unclear if you are suggesting there is some sort of rule in Catholic teaching, thou must not be a glamour model....there isn't. But, assuming you mean it would be frowned on, as of course it likely would, so would many aspects of life in the modern world according to many religions...from divorce to foods people eat.

Her explaining her beliefs around not enjoying sexual talk etc are not invalidated by the fact she has done the work she has, or that some think her hypocritical as she is clearly, in their eyes, not a good enough Catholic to be making judgements about others. We all make judgements about other people. Danielle filtering her views partially through her religious beliefs, is not invalid because some people feel her glamour modelling in line with them, or appearing in lads mags, makes her a hypocrite.

You may consider Danielle's views immoderate, quite what is immoderate about the belief not to have sex before marriage I am unclear, it is no more or less valid a choice than having sex, surely. As for gay marriage, as I understand it, most of the larger religions hold similar views about marriage within their church. You make assumptions about the extent or level of Danielle's Catholicism, as if to suggest someone who follows the church's teaching fully, is therefore immoderate? Based on your view of what moderate Catholics are. Do you also feel this way about other religions?

I'm not sure which of Danielle's views you feel as so staunch, but I would genuinely be interested. In my view, her religion is her own personal choice, and the extent to which she follows the framework a matter for her. I don't feel I have any right to tell anyone of any religion what they should and shouldn't believe.

The hypocrisy you say she exhibits between her beliefs and what she does, are again, your opinion. Because, as far as I know, there are no perfect people. From adultery to divorce, people of all religions walk a line between their beliefs and the life they live, and that line is surely their own.And you feel that by making judgements on the personal decisions of others, different to her own, whilst modelling, she has done something wrong? I'm taking it this is all about Danielle's exaggerated distaste for sex talk, when she has modelled for saucy snaps, and her giving interviews for lads mags when professing to old fashioned views?That's it? Given so many of the judgements on this thread, it seems astounding to me that people feel they have any right to comment on Danielle's judgments..because she happens to be Catholic, and bases some of her views on her religion.

You also seemed surprised that there wasn't and isn't universal agreement with your view. I suspect you are wasting your time, yes, if you expect everyone to agree with you, just because you give your view...

As for casting stones...may I direct you to some of the comments on this thread...

In this post, you have repeatedly misrepresented the views that other have expressed, and then dismissed that misrepresented view, as a means of dismissing the actual views that have been expressed. If you are not being obtuse, you are being disingenuous. I have no further time for you.

Danielle's distaste for sexual talk seems to cover only the sexual talk which she isn't being paid for.

well I don't remember Danielle looking lustfully at a woman either .

you claimed she broke the 6th commandment , now you're digging round in scripture to try and get out but you're just digging yourself in deeper .

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Thanks. I agree the other post was so riddled with irrelevant points about other religions, wrong assumptions about Catholicism and a distortion/misrepresentation of what I was getting at, I wouldn't know where to start. So like you, I'm out.


Ay? I was raised Catholic, that stuff is very accessible to us. I merely used the 6th commandment as one small example of her departure with church teachings. (I.e. Unless she vets the relationship status of her webcam customers and every guy who perves over her picture, she'd be 'the adulteress' in literal terms). But really it wasn't the best example for me to use when the catechism itself defines chastity, fornication, adultery, pornography, etc.

Anyway, as I said above, I'm done. Debating with certain Danielle fans is like nitpicking over an atom when there's a meteor in the room.