That's a great line. I might even have to steal it and use it myself.

vegetarians working in meat serving restaurants (check)
socialists working for big capitalist firms (check)
atheists working in religious based companies (check)....

i believe only ACTIVISTS take these kinds of stances. people have to work and live.

You are 100% bang on in my opinion. No one, especially those who watch BB, would ever judge anyone for having posed for Lads' Mags, done webcam "chats", posing nude, etc, etc,........... the problem with Danielle is the hypocrisy that leads her to, for example, feeling that she needs to spell out O-R-A-L sex as, God forbid, she can't bring herself to say it.

She came, she tried and she failed. Now she needs to deal with it.

Ummmm....

This whole thing is just an act, so that we keep talking about her.

no , she isn't an adulteress in literal terms . And how is she supposed to vet the marital status of everyone who looks at her pictures ?
by that logic anytime a guy "perves" over a picture of a woman then that woman is an adulteress , just absurd .

you got it wrong , just admit it .

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Don't you mean 'aristocat' ...or is that just derogatory ?

Your analogy needs a bit of tinkering IMO....

vegetarians working in meat serving restaurants (check) and snarfing the odd burger down while lying to everyone at home about being a veggie and gagging when others eat meat.

socialists working for big capitalist firms (check) and calling their coworkers "disgusting" for working there

atheists working in religious based companies (check)....and crying in the toilets because they object to all the God talk, before going quietly off to the prayer room at lunchtime to say a quick Rosary.

Brilliant

Maybe if you tried quoting in context then you wouldn't need to say "Ummmm". Mind you, you may not have a quote at all, so I guess it's up to you.

In general, I find folk on this forum to be pretty non-judgemental but you're entitled to your opinion and, if you don't fall in with the majority, then fair enough. I think people have a problem with the hypocrisy of Danielle's "I haven't seen a penis - in fact, don't even mention it to me or God will not forgive me.... EVER!" attitude as opposed to what ANother housemate may or may not do a little false. But each to their own.

Regardless of whether she was acting or not, she was a massive pain in the butt. Not an original thought in her head - just a mass of platitudes. I have issues with people who are intolerant of others, especially when their own lives don't hold up to close scrutiny.

Have you not been watching the show and seen the pornographic photographs of her online?
She has performed for her punters via her webcam involving stripping off to just her knickers, but in the house has claimed that all she does is talk about her horse-riding, religious beliefs and her church adding that there's nothing 'dodgy' about her webcam work.
She denied ever performing in her underwear for her customers adding that the only time she is filmed or pictured in her underwear is whilst advertising brands purely as part of her professional modelling work - which was a blatant lie.
She has never attended a 'finishing school' - which is completely obvious from her behaviour and inarticulacy.
She claimed in the house to be a virgin who does not believe in sex before marriage and yet, has given interviews in men's magazines whereby she described her favourite sexual position and that her next ambition is to join the mile high club.
She is a total hypocrite, a fantasist and a liar with delusions of grandeur.
She really is a rather pitiful character.

Lovely, well, now I know that you have no time for me....eh...nope, will make no difference to me in the least. If you choose to consider me obtuse, that is your right. But it seems along with that right you want to tell others what their opinions should be, and write their posts for them.

Actually I replied directly taking the time to address all points the FM in question raised, but if you aren't able to see that....perhaps it is you who should consider the accusations you so freely levy at others, may well be about yourself...

Agree and can I add unattractive to that list. I've never seen such an unfit looking glamour model. She would not be touched by any reputable lingerie company, her body is not suitable for that kind of work whatsoever. In fact I do think the girl is delusional, looking as she does, going into an industry where obvious attractiveness and fitness is everthing. Her living is made from webcam carry on and smutty pics (in my opinion of course)

She did indeed get it wrong. Not least with notions of immoderate Catholics, solely defined by her own views. Or because someone has a religion, and isn't good enough at it, in the eyes of others, Danielle has no right to hold her views or decide what she thinks of others.

There are different views on the forum, and looks like we will have to disagree. But some people do seem to get very angered by that, and fall back on insults toward those who don't share their view.

No some of us haven't seen it we judge on what happens in the house, I was a virgin when I married only ever been with one man in my life will only ever be with one man.
My religion doesn't allow me to do the things many people do I try not to judge though, it's up to everyone to decide on their own moral code, Danielle's code was different to mine but I don't judge her for that. If she found it difficult not to judge then that is up to her, for most of us we are not perfect we struggle with our religion everyday. I think her struggle will be o sop being so judgemental but I can't dislike her for that it took me years to get the point I am at with mine she just needs a bit more maturity to get there too I think.

But Danielle is the one who is judgemental - thats what all the fuss is about. Being hypocritical.

I haven't seen or heard of any porn, nope, topless photos, with some claiming nude.
She has worked on webcam as per her documentary. At worse, topless.
Neither of those have any impact on her religion. Sure, there is a contrast between her career choice, and her beliefs, we all know that.

She wasn't completely honest about her glamour work, I guess she was aware of the contrast and the judgement in my provoke from others. But still, just a glamour model, and doesn't affect her going to church.

Unlike you, I have no idea for sure whether she did or didn't attend a finishing school. And, I most certainly have no idea about her sex life. But lads mags written by, I suspect, writers in house with content written to sell, does not mean she doesn't hold her religious beliefs.

So at worst, as far as we know, she has lied about her work. This in the context of her appearing on a game show, and in line with all the other behaviour in the house. Big deal.

How exactly she goes against her beliefs in the examples you relay, I don't know. She glamour models..not an ideal profession for her, perhaps. She may have told some lies, or exaggerated. Not perfect behaviour, sure, but I haven't seen any perfect behaviour ever, never mind in the house.

This is getting irritating. Ive just said she can't vet her clients. Therefore, some could well be married, indeed probably are. And adultery in Catholicism is ANY activity which threatens the marital covenant including desire.

Here's an easy-to-understand extract: "The viewing of pornography (and, indeed, looking at other human beings in a deliberately lustful fashion and dwelling on those thoughts and encouraging them) is rightly condemned following the instructions of Christ in Matthew 5:28 which equates deliberately lustful thoughts with adultery."

Now, there's some debate about whether she herself would be called an "adulterer" (strict interpretations of the catechism say yes she is, others would say she tempts/facilitates it) but either way, her line of work encourages men to desire her and desire by married men is adultery.

In addition, "Immodest dress is condemned, and is defined as dressing in a manner likely to arouse sexual interest or with the intention of arousing sexual interest in a situation where this is inappropriate (generally speaking, where it will arouse sexual interest in individuals other than the person's spouse). The Church condemns this as tempting other individuals into sin. While this does not absolve the sinner of his guilt, it means that the tempter shares in some of that guilt."

In Catholicism, porn (soft or otherwise, encouraging sexual fantasy, displaying body for sexual purposes) masturbation, or indeed any lust-related activity outside marriage is considered a sin. The spiritual messages underneath these teachings are more complex than I can be bothered going into here, but anyone who's been raised catholic, done RE, Sunday School, etc (e.g. me or Danielle) will know that it ultimately has to do with causing separation from god.

Knock yourself out researching all this online. But don't tell me I'm wrong when you haven't done your own homework.

How is she being judgmental. Considering promiscuity something that shouldn't be admired, when people apparently believe she isn't a virgin? Every single person in the house has their views, and therefore judge. The fuss seems to be about two opposing viewpoints on the forum. Those who don't see what she has done that is so terrible, and those who seemingly think her the worst person ever.

Oh God, sex and religion, what a no no.

So, all of this is about you saying she isn't a good enough Catholic, in your eyes, to hold the views she does? Do you do this with all religions, comparing to the people in your life? Perhaps there should be a tick box or marking system, where she gets points taken away. As all you seem to be saying is she isn't a good enough Catholic. For someone who professes to near expert status in their understanding of Catholicism, may I ask if her church would exclude her for the transgressions you suggest, or welcome her as a flawed individual? Flawed, like the rest of humanity.

How I look at it is that is is a question of degree.

From lads mags to web cams, to phone sex, Internet sex call girls, prostitue so and the porno industry.

I wouldn't like my girls even to do what Danielle does but would much prefer that to any of the other mentioned previously.

A question of degrees but who would want any of their family members to do this. It is where it leads to also. Dirty old men photographers, telling young girls lies which lead into all sorts of degradation.

I can understand that, and agree it is far from an ideal profession. It is a question of degrees, yes.

and as I said : by that logic ^ anytime a married man "perves" over a photo of a woman that woman is an adulteress . Which is just absurd .

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