I don't recall seeing Helen putting a gun to anyone's head there. She argued her case, and ultimately the others conceded. And where was the toilet attendent during all this? In fact, how can we even say that most of them wanted Ashleigh there over others when Helen and Steven wanted Ash, Mark and Winston wanted Ashleigh - whilst Chris sat there saying nothing but planning his next bitching session?

And it's just ridiculous to say that Helen wasn't bothered about wanting Ash at the party.

BTW, I notice you're a Derry man. Who are you supporting this year?

Does it matter?

I am from Northamptonshire, half Welsh and I am supporting Ashleigh and Chris. Should I move to Derry?

Now that is classic

It wasn't supposed to be up to Helen though. Mark was the team leader and he wanted to pick Ashleigh till Helen beat him down.

Just an observation, that pretty much all the Irish/Northern Irish FMs are backing Ashleigh. Just coincidence, I'm sure.

Ash and Ashleigh both have been to every party Helen contradicted her own reasoning right there lol Yes they conceded to the dictator again you're right.

Sorry, but you're wrong there.
Plenty of NI FMs have been quick to show their allegiances to anyone other than Ashleigh.
I'm afraid it seems to go with the territory if you're from NI, most fair-minded Irish people will judge the person but unfortunately there will always be those who judge the housemate based on their perceived political/religious persuasion.
Depressing IMO

Who cars less about the reasoning she gave? I think we can both agree on the fact that she prefers Ash to Ashleigh, so it should hardly come as a surprise that she would want Ash to go to the party over Ashleigh. And what sort opf baby would hold it against her that she would want her friend there over someone who she knows bitches about her?

It's one thing to be upset that the sainted Ashleigh wasn't taken to the ball, but some people just need to suck it up instead of looking for people to blame all the time.


Well, that;s certainly not been my experience, although when I said 'Northern Irelend' I was, in general, referring to people who live in Northern Ireland yet identify themselves as Irish - much like Ashleigh herself.

It's a similar pattern through BB history. Noirin, Hazel and Keevah all enjoyed a higher proportion of support from Irish FMs than elsewhere IMO. And I'm not a fan of people supporting someone on the basis of where they're from. It just negates any view they have for me.

I don't care for Helen at all but have to admit that she has been a memorable HM this year.

I don't recall ever saying that she held a gun to their heads but once again, she continued to spout rubbish until they conceded, her manner or getting what she wants appears to be by talking incessantly until they cant take any more and give in. And I didn't say Helen wasn't bothered, I said Helen suggesting Ash was most definitely more a case of one up on Ashleigh, if she had really been interested in giving people who don't get a chance to attend parties an invite she would have asked them to pick Pav.

And yes I am from Derry, not that it has anything to do with Ashleigh being my current joint favourite (along with little Chris). I would like her just as much if she were from London, Scotland or Timbuktu just like I disliked Conor McIntyre enormously in his series and wouldn't have disliked him any more had he been English.

Picking at straws clearly if you have to try to imply that Ashleigh's popularity comes from NI. She's one of the most popular HM's across all polls, I'm sure not all of those people are Norn Irish.

Maybe it was her turn for an 'evil plan'

Its a pretty good way of making new friends, broadening your horizons, finding a partner, and making sure your parents aren't blood related, ... but whatever floats your boat...

Helen likes Ash. Helen doesn't like Ashleigh. Helen chooses Ash over Ashleigh shocker.

honestly, you have no valid argument with this thread. What exactly is your issue here? That Helen chose Ash? That Helen didn't choose Ashleigh? That helen managed to get her choice chosen? Seriously, on what grounds do you have a valid reason to complain about anything other than the fact that Ashleigh's supposed friend Chris did nothing to advance her case there?

If I think someone has a reasonable argument I'll listen to it, but it's clear that this is no more than Ashleigh fans getting peed off that her nemesis didn't choose her.

Boo hoo.

I've yet to come across someone here who'd acknowledged that they support or dislike a HM based on their geography, but I know it happens. and it kinda devalues their views, to my mind.

But why did it have to be HER friend? Why does SHE always have to have the last word? Ashleigh is also someone's friend.

Who's? Chris's? He said naff-all. In fact, why aren't Ashleigh's fans having a pop at him for not having her back, instead of slating Helen for actually fighting for what she wanted. If Chris had half the balls Helen has perhaps Ashleigh would've been chosen.

I've read some downright illogical and delusional threads on here but this is right up there!!! Helen argues for who she wants. Chris daydreams about how to get the shine on the toilet bowl. Ash goes to the party/ Ashleigh doesn't. And Ashleigh fans choose to slate Helen rather than Chris.

Still, we all know why that is, don't we. Don't want to rock the boat with Chris's fan base.

But by the same notion why did Ashleigh have to have her way when all the guys were up?

Sorry, who are you to say whether I do or do not have a valid argument? Mark and Winston both immediately said Ashleigh deserves to go to the party, Helen then said should we not base it on who hasn't been to parties, when someone then said 'Zoe and Pav should go then', she backtracked as that didn't go with what she was wanting. Steven then said Ashleigh doesn't drink much and Helen used that to try and manipulate Mark and Winston to go with her, despite both of them clearly wanting it to be Ashleigh and Zoe. She then said Ash would pick you to Mark (which is probably a load of crap as he would probably pick Winston/Steven and Helen) to which Mark said something like That's true'. She then, without everyone actually agreeing to it said 'Big Brother, we have made a decision'.

Its not about her not choosing Ashleigh or choosing Ash, its about her taking control once again and not listening to what the others wanted so she could get her own way. As for you banging on about geographical location, I'm not exactly bothered what you think my reasons for liking Ashleigh are. Where she's from is as relevant to me liking her as where Helen's from is to me disliking her.

Clearly a large number of people were also annoyed by Helen's behaviour last night, it wouldn't have mattered if it was Mark or Winston she was trying not to allow to the party, it was the arrogant and controlling way she conducted herself

The fact is Helen made her argument against Ashleigh not going to the party by saying she goes to everything. Well that argument doesn't wash as so does Ash go to everything. Major floor in her reasoning , it would of been more stand up of her to just say I want Ash there because he's my best buddy. So Helen bosses and shouts the loudest in that discussion as she always does , you think that automatically makes her right then ?

This has been debated so many times, Kim and Jale both wanted to save Marlon over Ash, Ashleigh didn't force them into choosing him, they had both already indicated that they wanted to save him.

Well, I can see that you Ashleigh fans are not going to acknowledge that Helen had every right to argue to take Ash, so I'll yet you all whinge about that one in peace.

But, before I go. I'd like to know (and I've raised it a few times without reply already), what you thought of Chris taking a back seat during the discussions. No-one can honestly talk about Helen overriding the group when one member of that group didn't offer a view to be overridden.

She didn't at the time the four of them Jale , Kim , Danielle left Helen out of some of their discussions and meetings. So what does that tell you , it shows you underneath everything most in there are fed up with Helens dictator ways. Haven't you noticed once out , just about every evicted housemate has said Helens really controlling in there.

Helen doesn't need to justify her reasons for wanting her pal Ash to come to the party.

It's to her credit that she managed to win through against more than one objector. and fight her mate's corner so well. Such loyalty. She shows a willingness to stand up and be counted despite having so many people against her/ trying to dismiss her, and so the fact that she STILL won through, is to her credit.

As few others could learn a thing or 2 about how to stick up for your pals from this one.

Admirable.

One objector ? Were you listening it wasn't just Mark objecting. So to always shout and domineer the loudest is a good thing then ? Get your way at all costs.

I've no doubt she is controlling and loud/foul mouthed and argumentative but Ashleigh admitted to having an evil plan to manipulate the others into going against Ash, we can't rewrite history. Helen has now done the same albeit in a more confrontational way but it's really no different.

Anyway im off for now too. But yeah Chris should of said something during the discussions. Saying nothing is almost as bad as continuously dictating away.