She called it that yes , but actually said it "feels" like that. All the other three wen't along with her though majority ruled. Avoiding everything going Helen's way for a change.

I said 'more than' one (well technically I made a typo and said 'more that one' but I'm sure anyone who knows their onions would have worked it out.

It's not a case who who shouts loudest, it's a case of who won though for their friend, especially against what looked like insurmountable odds. What a good and admirable thing to do, to really put your neck on the line and stick up for your pal.

Helen- great friend.

Chris and Mark?- not so much.

Chris should have spoken up and said he wanted Ashleigh to go but that doesn't justify Helen being domineering and trying to get her own way

Now't to do with onions i shouldn't really be on here right now so read wrong too lol As for the rest already said my opinion on it. If you think win at all costs then , ok fair enough then.

why should she need to justify trying to get her own way???

it should be Chris and anyone supporting him justifying why he sat back, said diddly squat, and allowed Helen to get her own way.

Why has it taken this down down the line for anyone to even acknowledge his timidity there? I can't help but feel that people here are reluctant to criticise Chris even when they knows he's wrong, so they turn on more easier targets instead.

I like to employ a 'win at all costs' mentality to my DS posting style. Way more fun that way.

Losing is for wimps right?

No not when you could include things such as bullying and dictating into the term "at all costs"

Is it winning at all costs

There was a party - Helen doesn't like Ashleigh and didn't really want her there (understandable) - she would rather have had Ash there.

She argued her point loudly - Mark conceded.

What this 'at all costs' business? No one died ...........poor little Ashleigh didn't go to the party that's all.

What a load of twaddle!

It's winning by controlling and dictating. Yeah some of them should stand up to her more but hey that's not something many could do. All costs as in as far as anyone can go on BB obviously.

Good points.

And only the people she dislikes are capable of "show their true colours". Are they colourless, her included?

True and good point, but seeing as I get accused of all sorts of made up nonsense on here as it is, we might as well chuck in bullying, dictating or anything else into the mix whilst we're at it!.

I'm sure they're bothered that you don't respect their views
Of course you can't be accused of the same thing because you decline to say where you're from.

Beats the hell out of me how anyone can admire or defend someone like Helen.....like Ashs mother said (don't bring her home for tea) pity he didn't take her advice and distance himself from the disgusting woman

I can't blame her really. Who else would she want at the party? Ash who she knows will have a good time with everyone, or sour faced Ashleigh who will just be a Debbie Downer and ruin it for everyone. No competition really.

Helen is a self centred loudmouthed bully. Mark is a wimp for giving in to her and Chris is spineless for not standing up for anything or anyone then or at any other time.

This thread is about Helen being controlling. Amongst the winning team, Ashleigh was a popular choice, but Helen controlled the situation to get her way. As soon as inviting Ash was mentioned, Hellen shouted "we've deciced, Big Brother". I HATE her.

Yet when Ashleigh controlled the girl power save from eviction discussion, she was hailed a hero. She is just as controlling as Helen, both nasgy bitches who want their own way.

Well I suppose in context Ash is Helish's groupie.

Ashleigh didn't get to save three of her choice. In the beginning, a shortlist of just Helen's friends was drawn up. Ashleigh managed to get just ONE of her friends on the list.

It doesn't matter. She still controlled the discussion around the table, controlled Jale and Kim along with Danielle when they were plotting in the bedroom. Total double standards from Ashleigh stans as usual

Hmmm. So do you completely rule out the possibility of someone liking a housemate for their personality, rather than the geography, if they happen to share an island with them?

For example, I like Ashleigh. I'm from Cork (which is possibly closer to wherever you are and certainly closer to London than Derry). So is my view automatically 'devalued' because I'm clearly Irish? That's a nonsense argument, surely?

In the past, I have liked Irish housemates; certainly; but I've disliked more than I've liked. Brian D and Anna are among my top four (the other two are Aaron, Ben Duncan) of all time. So you probably deduce that's because they're Irish. But it's not that simple, is it? Because Brian D and Anna are among many BB fans top 4.

Equally, I didn't particularly like Keeva, didn't like Mary, couldn't stand Orlaith, Conor or Spiral and was ambivalent about Noirin. I liked Hazel and championed both Hazel and Keeva on here because I so strongly disliked both Gina and Josie who seemed to take particularly against them.

I will say this, good looking Irish women - Noirin, Keeva, Orlaith, Hazel and now Ashleigh really do seem to get a particularly vociferous and vicious kind of hate on DS.

I've more or less stopped posting this year because my favourites are Christopher, Chris and Ashleigh (in that order). Chris and Christopher are barely discussed; it's all about Ashleigh, who gets right up the noses of a very vocal minority of posters for some reason.

Because I'm Irish, it's assumed that's the only reason I'm supporting her. So there's not much point. Can you see where I'm coming from?

Your complete post is very well put Patsy, IMO.
I doubt you'll get any response from the poster.

Helen?