Just when I think she's maybe not all bad after all Helen does something like saying what she said about her free pass while Christopher was sitting there. She didn't even notice that she was being horribly unkind. She really is a nasty and unpleasant person and I won't be fooled again!!!

Yeah I always think she's maybe learning something and being kinder and making an effort and then she spoils it again.

I don't see the issue with the comment. She's closer to Mark in the house, so of course would choose Mark over Christopher.

(a) Why say it at all?
(b) Why say it with that ugly defiant sneer of hers?



Try as BB might, Helen's not up to their redemption storyline.

a) because Mark said that she just said she'd give him the pass. Which she would, if it was a choice between Christopher and Mark. I'm not sure why people want her to pretend that she's a Christopher fan? People are just jumping on the anti-Helen bandwagon.

b) Oh please.

She didn't have to mention Christopher's name. There's such a thing as tact. All she had to say was it would depend who the choices were and leave it at that.

Why was it unkind?

Do you honestly think Christopher thinks she'd give it to him?

It was blunt, maybe a tad insensitive but basically just brutally honest.

I think people taking offence on Christophers behalf is a bit daft. I don't imagine it bothered him - he's had far worse in there.

And I'm saying that as one that wants Christopher to win.

If Helen had pretended that she might have considered Christopher she'd have been called two faced.

I think it was said in jest ..........Helen does have a caustic sense of humour. It's not as if she said 'I want you to be evicted'.

That's maybe so, but the OP is trying to point out that it's ill mannered to say such a thing in front of a person.

All this odious behaviour of "I'm not two faced me, if I don't like someone I tell them to their face". Really? Do these "upfront" people actually have jobs where they have to abide by normal human social etiquette?
I don't like plenty of people, but I have no need to go and be rude to them just so I could screech "I'm not two faced".

Just saying.

Well she said then she changed her mind and said she would pick Ash or Steven .

Christopher was involved in the group discussion. If he hadn't been, she wouldn't of used him as an example.

I don't think there was anything "in jest" about it. She, as usual, just had no consideration for another person's feelings.

That was before her comment about Christopher (in fact, that was the comment which made Mark ask the question that lead to the comment about him).

I think she would have whether he was there or not.

Really that's it?

She says she would give her pass to a person who she is closer to rather than somebody else.
And the somebody else knows full well that she is closer to that person.

I find Chris and Ashleigh's reaction to that whole conversation ridiculous and amusing.

They don't like Helen a lot of the time and they are offended that she doesn't consider them when it comes to giving something.

Like kids in the playground, make a big thing about not liking another child and how they are so much better. But when it comes to the other child having a bag of sweets, complain when they don't get given one.

Are they not old enough to understand that if you "make a stand" against somebody don't expect them to love you.
Actions have consequences.

Well he was, so we'll never know. It was quite obvious that the comment wasn't a dig at Christopher, rather saying that she's not as close to him as she is Mark.

she didnt have to mention the pass at all.. winston n ashleigh waa also awkwardly sitting there not knowing what to say.. she basically waa saying "f**ck the rest of you"

No doubt she meant it - I'm not sure 'in jest' is quite the right choice of words but it was banter rather than malicious IMO.

He wasnt even allowed to sit near Helen when they were playing truth or dare without her going ballistic, imagine if Christopher had said something negative about Helen to her face she would have been in his face.
It's ironic but its always the "i tell it like it is" brigade are the ones that cant take it back and dont want to hear it!

I really don't get why people boast about 'telling someone to their face'. What kind of a world would it be where no-one used tact or diplomacy? Or even simple politeness.

And if she had made a BS speech about giving it to the most deserving rather than who she is closest to there would have been complaints about her ignoring the feelings of her closest friends.

What feelings are we talking about here anyway?
They don't exist, Christopher holds no feelings that he is Helen's closest friend.

Of course he knows he's not her closest friend but he's still entitled to some consideration. There was no reason to mention his name in that discussion at all.

Sorry to go off topic a bit, but "An 'Anti-Helen' bandwagon"? I think you might be misusing that hackneyed word.

To many people, Helen's actions have been disgraceful in that house. She's a bully and very aggressive - She's been warned for it. Whether we get to see everything in that house or not, we have possibly seen her at her worst and many don't like her because of it.

People have witnessed her behaviour and independently come to the conclusion they dislike her based on said behaviour - that's not jumping on a bandwagon.

Here we go again with the common sense. Don't you know that's not allowed in here.

She is just being her brutally honest self - but lacks any sort of awareness or consideration for anyone else's feelings. Just because she is brazen enough to be totally blunt, doesn't mean she should be.

Imagine if someone else had said that about Ash! She would have gone for the juggular!

Oh please what? She did say it with her characteristic ugly defiant sneer. Like she wants to "say it to your face", but doing so is actually quite difficult, so she overcompensates with defiance, which looks nasty.

In short, being brutally honest requires brutality.