What makes her think she would have the power to hand over the pass.I would love for the PHM to take it from her and give to Chris the only one worthy to have it.
Just When I'm Lulled into Thinking Helen is Redeeming Herself Just a Little Bit
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Originally Posted by Speak-Softly:
“Really that's it?
She says she would give her pass to a person who she is closer to rather than somebody else.
And the somebody else knows full well that she is closer to that person.
I find Chris and Ashleigh's reaction to that whole conversation ridiculous and amusing.
They don't like Helen a lot of the time and they are offended that she doesn't consider them when it comes to giving something.
Like kids in the playground, make a big thing about not liking another child and how they are so much better. But when it comes to the other child having a bag of sweets, complain when they don't get given one.
Are they not old enough to understand that if you "make a stand" against somebody don't expect them to love you.
Actions have consequences.”
“Really that's it?
She says she would give her pass to a person who she is closer to rather than somebody else.
And the somebody else knows full well that she is closer to that person.
I find Chris and Ashleigh's reaction to that whole conversation ridiculous and amusing.
They don't like Helen a lot of the time and they are offended that she doesn't consider them when it comes to giving something.
Like kids in the playground, make a big thing about not liking another child and how they are so much better. But when it comes to the other child having a bag of sweets, complain when they don't get given one.
Are they not old enough to understand that if you "make a stand" against somebody don't expect them to love you.
Actions have consequences.”
BIB: not if your Helen, it would seem.
Helen doesn't have a nice bone in her body. The only reason she's "redeeming" herself is because of all those formal warnings she's had.
Originally Posted by Fanntastik:
“Helen doesn't have a nice bone in her body. The only reason she's "redeeming" herself is because of all those formal warnings she's had.”
“Helen doesn't have a nice bone in her body. The only reason she's "redeeming" herself is because of all those formal warnings she's had.”
Yes but sadly, it seems she can't keep it up for any length of time without the nastiness seeping through
Originally Posted by JanisElizabeth:
“Just when I think she's maybe not all bad after all Helen does something like saying what she said about her free pass while Christopher was sitting there. She didn't even notice that she was being horribly unkind. She really is a nasty and unpleasant person and I won't be fooled again!!!
”
“Just when I think she's maybe not all bad after all Helen does something like saying what she said about her free pass while Christopher was sitting there. She didn't even notice that she was being horribly unkind. She really is a nasty and unpleasant person and I won't be fooled again!!!
”
Strange how we saw a vt on BBBOTS when Mark does basically the same thing to Steven and Ashleigh sits there laughing, hypocritical much!! What Helen said any idiot would KNOW!!! WHY would she give the pass to someone she was not close too, Ashleigh would do the exact same, we all would, Ashleigh made something out of nothing!!
Originally Posted by summertime09:
“Strange how we saw a vt on BBBOTS when Mark does basically the same thing to Steven and Ashleigh sits there laughing, hypocritical much!! What Helen said any idiot would KNOW!!! WHY would she give the pass to someone she was not close too, Ashleigh would do the exact same, we all would, Ashleigh made something out of nothing!!”
“Strange how we saw a vt on BBBOTS when Mark does basically the same thing to Steven and Ashleigh sits there laughing, hypocritical much!! What Helen said any idiot would KNOW!!! WHY would she give the pass to someone she was not close too, Ashleigh would do the exact same, we all would, Ashleigh made something out of nothing!!”
Calm down calm down
Originally Posted by JanisElizabeth:
“I don't think there was anything "in jest" about it. She, as usual, just had no consideration for another person's feelings.”
“I don't think there was anything "in jest" about it. She, as usual, just had no consideration for another person's feelings.”
Yeah yeah yeah!!! so does Mark insensitive comment to Steven cause so much outrage!!
Helen is rude, aggressive, and totally insecure.
When you look at her history, it is not a great surprise, she has probably been 'shafted', excuse the pun, one too many times and has trust issues.
The insecurity towards Ashleigh and Chris may be partly their fault as well, but you cannot blame them for being appalled by her behaviour.
As for her 'redemption' 'change' - that's just a BB edit.
Much though I don't really like the sound of her much, I hope Helen does find some resolution in her life after this reality experience.
When you look at her history, it is not a great surprise, she has probably been 'shafted', excuse the pun, one too many times and has trust issues.
The insecurity towards Ashleigh and Chris may be partly their fault as well, but you cannot blame them for being appalled by her behaviour.
As for her 'redemption' 'change' - that's just a BB edit.
Much though I don't really like the sound of her much, I hope Helen does find some resolution in her life after this reality experience.
Originally Posted by MissPGC:
“she didnt have to mention the pass at all.. winston n ashleigh waa also awkwardly sitting there not knowing what to say.. she basically waa saying "f**ck the rest of you"”
“she didnt have to mention the pass at all.. winston n ashleigh waa also awkwardly sitting there not knowing what to say.. she basically waa saying "f**ck the rest of you"”
It was very reminiscent of a child giving out party invitations intentionally in front of some they don't want to invite.
Originally Posted by summertime09:
“Yeah yeah yeah!!! so does Mark insensitive comment to Steven cause so much outrage!!”
“Yeah yeah yeah!!! so does Mark insensitive comment to Steven cause so much outrage!!”
Because Steven wouldn't have even heard it. Steven only hears Steven's voice
Originally Posted by MissPGC:
“she didnt have to mention the pass at all.. winston n ashleigh waa also awkwardly sitting there not knowing what to say.. she basically waa saying "f**ck the rest of you"”
“she didnt have to mention the pass at all.. winston n ashleigh waa also awkwardly sitting there not knowing what to say.. she basically waa saying "f**ck the rest of you"”
Ashleigh ,started the whole ,who'd she give the Pass to conversation off ,by asking her if she wouldn't want Ash to have it if she could give it ,after Helen was saying she had a feeling her Pass was going this week
Originally Posted by MissPGC:
“she didnt have to mention the pass at all.. winston n ashleigh waa also awkwardly sitting there not knowing what to say.. she basically waa saying "f**ck the rest of you"”
“she didnt have to mention the pass at all.. winston n ashleigh waa also awkwardly sitting there not knowing what to say.. she basically waa saying "f**ck the rest of you"”
First off, I agree with your point.
Second, I know these are typos but they made me chuckle as I can imagine Helen saying them in her accent.
I think the only way Helen can possibly redeem herself with some posters on here is to sit in the corner and say nothing till the end.
Anything she says will be twisted and a negative spin put on it. She is loud and brash and has a caustic sense of humour - it doesn't go down well on here.
It's basically a personality thing .........................I can see why she's not well liked but there does appear that it's an any stick to beat her with thing going on.
Anything she says will be twisted and a negative spin put on it. She is loud and brash and has a caustic sense of humour - it doesn't go down well on here.
It's basically a personality thing .........................I can see why she's not well liked but there does appear that it's an any stick to beat her with thing going on.
It was nasty, pointed and completely intentional. She singled Christopher out, just like bullies always do with those who are socially weaker. She had no need to mention anyone's name, she could have just said Mark would have been her third choice after Ash and Steven. She enjoyed it and the reaction she got. She loves it.
Originally Posted by brb:
“a) because Mark said that she just said she'd give him the pass. Which she would, if it was a choice between Christopher and Mark. I'm not sure why people want her to pretettnd that she's a Christopher fan? People are just jumping on the anti-Helen bandwagon.
b) Oh please.”
“a) because Mark said that she just said she'd give him the pass. Which she would, if it was a choice between Christopher and Mark. I'm not sure why people want her to pretettnd that she's a Christopher fan? People are just jumping on the anti-Helen bandwagon.
b) Oh please.”
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BIB.....and boy doesn't she make it easy
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I think the only way Helen can possibly redeem herself with some posters on here is to sit in the corner and say nothing till the end.
Anything she says will be twisted and a negative spin put on it. She is loud and brash and has a caustic sense of humour - it doesn't go down well on here.
It's basically a personality thing .........................I can see why she's not well liked but there does appear that it's an any stick to beat her with thing going on.”
“I think the only way Helen can possibly redeem herself with some posters on here is to sit in the corner and say nothing till the end.
Anything she says will be twisted and a negative spin put on it. She is loud and brash and has a caustic sense of humour - it doesn't go down well on here.
It's basically a personality thing .........................I can see why she's not well liked but there does appear that it's an any stick to beat her with thing going on.”
Not at all. I was, almost against my will, beginning to warm to her but that thing with the pass and also her browbeating of Mark to make sure she got Ash to the after party thankfully brought me back to my senses and I realised she is actually just as horrible as she was at the beginning - she's just been reigning it in slightly. Pity.
Originally Posted by summertime09:
“Yeah yeah yeah!!! so does Mark insensitive comment to Steven cause so much outrage!!”
“Yeah yeah yeah!!! so does Mark insensitive comment to Steven cause so much outrage!!”
Most of the HM's are insensitive idiots.....but Helen just happens to be ten times worse
If everyone used Helen's "upfront" logic, the world would be a horrible place.
People need to get stuff off their chests. It's healthy.
But that does not mean saying every thought that comes to mind regardless of how
hurtful it might be.
The really sad aspect was that Christopher had done absolutely nothing to warrant that nasty comment,
and the indignation in her subsequent attitude told you everything you need to know about her.
People need to get stuff off their chests. It's healthy.
But that does not mean saying every thought that comes to mind regardless of how
hurtful it might be.
The really sad aspect was that Christopher had done absolutely nothing to warrant that nasty comment,
and the indignation in her subsequent attitude told you everything you need to know about her.
Originally Posted by tuppencehapenny:
“I really don't get why people boast about 'telling someone to their face'. What kind of a world would it be where no-one used tact or diplomacy? Or even simple politeness.”
“I really don't get why people boast about 'telling someone to their face'. What kind of a world would it be where no-one used tact or diplomacy? Or even simple politeness.”
Totally agree, I am truly bored with the whole "say it how it is". The world simply isn't like that, life just doesn't operate that way. Plus, I find it rather odd that the HM's who say this are always operating on the assumption people want to know what they think!!! Christopher isn't stupid he would be utterly clear on that, so why bother. Rather cruel IMO.
Originally Posted by ArwenEvenstar:
“That's maybe so, but the OP is trying to point out that it's ill mannered to say such a thing in front of a person.
All this odious behaviour of "I'm not two faced me, if I don't like someone I tell them to their face". Really? Do these "upfront" people actually have jobs where they have to abide by normal human social etiquette?
I don't like plenty of people, but I have no need to go and be rude to them just so I could screech "I'm not two faced".
Just saying.”
“That's maybe so, but the OP is trying to point out that it's ill mannered to say such a thing in front of a person.
All this odious behaviour of "I'm not two faced me, if I don't like someone I tell them to their face". Really? Do these "upfront" people actually have jobs where they have to abide by normal human social etiquette?
I don't like plenty of people, but I have no need to go and be rude to them just so I could screech "I'm not two faced".
Just saying.”
What an excellent post and summing up of the situation ArwenEvenstar. How do these people hold down jobs? It's not being upfront and honest, it's not "telling it how it is", it's downright rude and lacking any form of tact whatsoever. Did these people not learn how to be tactful when they were younger?
Originally Posted by JanisElizabeth:
“Just when I think she's maybe not all bad after all Helen does something like saying what she said about her free pass while Christopher was sitting there. She didn't even notice that she was being horribly unkind. She really is a nasty and unpleasant person and I won't be fooled again!!!”
“Just when I think she's maybe not all bad after all Helen does something like saying what she said about her free pass while Christopher was sitting there. She didn't even notice that she was being horribly unkind. She really is a nasty and unpleasant person and I won't be fooled again!!!
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Classic Dubya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntwdH3Q54ZY
Originally Posted by The_Bonobo:
“If everyone used Helen's "upfront" logic, the world would be a horrible place.
People need to get stuff off their chests. It's healthy.
But that does not mean saying every thought that comes to mind regardless of how
hurtful it might be.
The really sad aspect was that Christopher had done absolutely nothing to warrant that nasty comment,
and the indignation in her subsequent attitude told you everything you need to know about her.”
“If everyone used Helen's "upfront" logic, the world would be a horrible place.
People need to get stuff off their chests. It's healthy.
But that does not mean saying every thought that comes to mind regardless of how
hurtful it might be.
The really sad aspect was that Christopher had done absolutely nothing to warrant that nasty comment,
and the indignation in her subsequent attitude told you everything you need to know about her.”
She would not be 'up front' if she wasn't supported by her minions. Classic textbook bully characteristic .
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Why was it unkind?
Do you honestly think Christopher thinks she'd give it to him?
It was blunt, maybe a tad insensitive but basically just brutally honest.
I think people taking offence on Christophers behalf is a bit daft. I don't imagine it bothered him - he's had far worse in there.
And I'm saying that as one that wants Christopher to win.
If Helen had pretended that she might have considered Christopher she'd have been called two faced.
I think it was said in jest ..........Helen does have a caustic sense of humour. It's not as if she said 'I want you to be evicted'.”
“Why was it unkind?
Do you honestly think Christopher thinks she'd give it to him?
It was blunt, maybe a tad insensitive but basically just brutally honest.
I think people taking offence on Christophers behalf is a bit daft. I don't imagine it bothered him - he's had far worse in there.
And I'm saying that as one that wants Christopher to win.
If Helen had pretended that she might have considered Christopher she'd have been called two faced.
I think it was said in jest ..........Helen does have a caustic sense of humour. It's not as if she said 'I want you to be evicted'.”
It didn't, he said Oh Thanks and laughed, just like Steven laughed when Mark said he's be out this week. I think that Christopher just takes Helen's sayings with a pinch of salt since he took her on that time. He seems to be mature enough to have got the measure of Helen, and just doesn't take offence any more, unless he's being told that he should do by The Miserable Twins.
Originally Posted by JanisElizabeth:
“Yes but sadly, it seems she can't keep it up for any length of time without the nastiness seeping through”
“Yes but sadly, it seems she can't keep it up for any length of time without the nastiness seeping through
”
You mean like Ashleigh, who started the whole pass conversation knowing how it would go ?
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